[Dovecot] OT - Re: Dovecot 1.1.x and 1.2.x differencies
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Thu Jun 17 04:30:07 EEST 2010
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 2010-06-16 11:39 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Yes, but Gentoo isn't supplying binaries. The amount of project
>> time/effort to get all those Debian binaries compiled and out the
>> door is gargantuan compared to the Gentoo source model.
> Ah, forgot about that... its amazing how you get used to the freedom of
> a source based system.
Yeah, I've been enjoying that with FreeBSD for a very long time. They
have "packages" as well, but I never really used them - what are the
chances that the maintainer and I both want the exact same compile-time
> The biggest argument against source based installs is they take too
> long. On reasonably modern hardware it isn't much of an issue, and even
> on older hardware - I mean, really how often do you have to do the
> installation? Mine last for many years...
I do binary installs of the OS, source installs of the additional
software, source based upgrades of the OS. I also get something that I
haven't yet seen in the mainstream linux distros, which is a clear
delineation between what's the "OS" and what's "added-on". If it's under
/usr/local somewhere, it came from elsewhere. Otherwise, it's part of the
OS. Makes upgrades simple, even if I'm moving /usr/local wholesale from
one box to another - since I have a nice stable ABI and backwards
compatibility, I can take a bunch of stuff built for say, FreeBSD 4.8 and
run it on a new 8.0 box, then upgrade at my leisure.
>> My point was that building binaries is one of the reasons it takes
>> Debian so long to get a new release out. AFAIK, Gentoo isn't shackled
>> with this issue.
> Correct, it isn't, and with USE flags, it makes custom compiling (and
> recompiling if needs change) with support for *precisely* what you need
> extremely easy even for people like me... ;)
FreeBSD supports much fewer architectures, but I know they still have
dealt with issues trying to crank out packages for a few archs plus a few
supported versions of the OS. I think Yahoo recently gave them a bunch of
boxes to help with this, but yeah, when you start thinking about building
not just what *you* might install, but every X11 app available, every
window manager, etc. that's a pretty hefty chunk of cpu time, regardless
of how modern your build cluster is.
And yeah, having either a config file or make flags to repeatedly build
the software with the same options kicks ass. :)
> Best regards,
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