[Dovecot] Bah! Outlook
robert at schetterer.org
Fri Apr 18 04:03:57 EEST 2008
Jason Wohlford schrieb:
> On Apr 15, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
>> Hi Jason, forget about workarounds for outlook express
>> its a broken client for several reasons, just advice not not use it.
>> Outlook isnt Outlook , div versions with div patchlevel
>> working in different ways and have different ways
>> ( or no ways ) to solve your Problem
>> here ist good advice for imap purge
>> note purge in this case ist a function
>> of the client which the user may handle as he likes
> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to work around.
>> if you want outlook move sent mails to a imap sent folder
>> use a filter rule
>> look here for advice
> I thought those were already being handled correctly. Looks like I've
> got to look into that too.
>> at last tell your users that outlook isnt a universal mail client
>> specially with imap and smtp
> I know that. You know that, but my clients are certainly not going to
> accept that as an answer. They'll simply go elsewhere.
>> Outlook is the client of m$ case in first case
>> and fits to exchanges needs,
>> and only with exchange it offers its workgroup funktions
>> which are from interest in companies
>> m$ has no interest to make it
>> better work with imap cause , they would loose money if the do so,
>> cause as time goes by , specially smaller companies may find
>> no need to buy expensive windows and exchange servers outlook licences
> Preaching to the choir.
>> advice users to use thunderbird/lightning as better choice
> I do. I actually push Thunderbird pretty heavily. Maybe too heavily.
>> Same goes to apple mail which does serveral funny stuff with imap
>> All these products are formed to make money with the special services m$
>> and apple provides, they arent meant to be highly compatible
>> to wide spreaded imap,smtp opensoftware servers which mostly very
>> clean coded
> We'll I'll have to disagree with you there. I find Mail.app to be a
> great little program. Mac OS X Server uses Cyrus and Postfix. I've even
> gone command line to fine tune some spam settings. Now, you can
> certainly dis-Apple for many other things, but Mail.app works to spec.
apple mail works good with imap for users
which can configure it ( but users mostly arent good by doing so), but
it has a long lists of bugs with imap.
look at apple lists about apple mail.
This maybe fixed now.
My personal disagree is with their standard folders names for send mail
etc, i dont like spaces in default names of imap folders and i dont
like this apple unneeded extravagances,
i dont see something at an apple server what cant be done in linux
without pay, and i simply dont need a gui on my servers
when i last migrated users to apple mail from pop3 to imap all their
mail where mixed up magical with apple mail profiles, seems to be
semi automatic here ( but after all ,i am no king on apple use, so maybe
it was my fault,
but their apple admin was more lost then me, that time *g)
Thunderbird is lightyears better, has lot of plugins and is more near to
imap standart. ( for sure tb needs more stuff to gets more spreaded to
companies, it misses i.e acl imap )
What i like at apple is their calender solution as client and server
but for now lightning is stable enough for a company solution, and is
But no need to flame, advanced users will be happy with every good imap
client, and apple takes the right way, m$ can only loose
MfG Robert Schetterer
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