[Dovecot] Bah! Outlook

Robert Schetterer robert at schetterer.org
Fri Apr 18 04:03:57 EEST 2008

Jason Wohlford schrieb:
> On Apr 15, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
>> Hi Jason, forget about workarounds for outlook express
>> its a broken client for several reasons, just advice not not use it.
>> Outlook isnt Outlook , div versions with div patchlevel
>> working in different ways and have different ways
>> ( or no ways ) to solve your Problem
>> here ist good advice for imap purge
>> http://www.landaenterprises.com/support/email_imap_delete.asp
>> note purge in this case ist a function
>> of the client which the user may handle as he likes
> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to work around.
>> if you want outlook move sent mails to a imap sent folder
>> use a filter rule
>> look here for advice
>> http://kb.nitix.com/1630
> I thought those were already being handled correctly. Looks like I've 
> got to look into that too.
>> at last tell your users that outlook isnt a universal mail client
>> specially with imap and smtp
> I know that. You know that, but my clients are certainly not going to 
> accept that as an answer. They'll simply go elsewhere.
>> Outlook is the client of m$ case in first case
>> and fits to exchanges needs,
>> and only with exchange it offers its workgroup funktions
>> which are from interest in companies
>> m$ has no interest to make it
>> better work with imap cause , they would loose money if the do so,
>> cause as time goes by , specially smaller companies may find
>> no need to buy expensive windows and exchange servers outlook licences 
>> anymore
> Preaching to the choir.
>> advice users to use thunderbird/lightning as better choice
> I do. I actually push Thunderbird pretty heavily. Maybe too heavily.
>> Same goes to apple mail which does serveral funny stuff with imap
>> All these products are formed to make money with the special services m$
>> and apple provides, they arent meant to be highly compatible
>> to wide spreaded imap,smtp opensoftware servers which mostly very 
>> clean coded
> We'll I'll have to disagree with you there. I find Mail.app to be a 
> great little program. Mac OS X Server uses Cyrus and Postfix. I've even 
> gone command line to fine tune some spam settings. Now, you can 
> certainly dis-Apple for many other things, but Mail.app works to spec.
> Cheers,
> Jason
Hi Jason,

apple mail works good with imap for users
which can configure it ( but users mostly arent good by doing so), but 
it has a long lists of bugs with imap.
look at apple lists about apple mail.
This maybe fixed now.

My personal disagree is with their standard folders names for send mail 
etc, i dont like spaces in default names of imap folders and  i dont 
like this apple unneeded extravagances,

i dont see something at an apple server what cant be done in linux 
without pay, and i simply dont need a gui on my servers

when i last migrated users to apple mail from pop3 to imap all their 
mail where mixed up magical with apple mail profiles, seems to be
semi automatic here ( but after all ,i am no king on apple use, so maybe 
it was my fault,
but their apple admin was more lost then me, that time *g)

Thunderbird is lightyears better, has lot of plugins and is more near to 
  imap standart. ( for sure tb needs more stuff to gets more spreaded to 
companies, it misses i.e acl imap )

What i like at apple is their calender solution as client and server
but for now lightning is stable enough for a company solution, and is
cross platform.

But no need to flame, advanced users will be happy with every good imap 
client, and apple takes the right way, m$ can only loose

Best Regards

MfG Robert Schetterer


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