It seems its troll time again on this list, ohh maybe its Harry in disguise... So I will play along, for today anyway :)
On 19/03/2016 18:11, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:37:04 +1000 Noel Butler noel.butler@ausics.net wrote:
On 14/03/2016 18:49, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
and you've never seen these cause problems with FS? then you must be a newbie, in over 25 years I've seen it happen several times - yes even after an apparent controlled shutdown.
Maybe you're doing something wrong then. because in my last 21 years working exactly in this business I've not seen a single deadly fs-crash because of a power-outage. Not one. And we had of course several, all backed by UPS.
Consider yourself lucky, Most network admins whove been around large busy ISP DC's have seen this in their lifetime, to not have seen one is rare, go buy yourself a lotto ticket :)
If your servers get drowned with water during a fire your fs is probably the least of your worries. You don't really plan to re-enable servers with water- or fire-damage, do you? That's probably why there shouldn't be a fireman pouring water in the first place.
This shows you dont understand structural engineering, the fire does not have to be on your floor, it can be far away as two or so levels above, with the high pressure water used - equating to a shitload of water, there are ducts, shafts, other risers and so on that with a shit-tone of water can easily penetrate fireblocks of floors below - dont take my work, go ask a fireman, or maybe watch the nightly news sometime (building fire - many levels water affected blah blah blah)... so keeping those boxes on via UPS's is asking for lots of charcoaled boards and fried drives. IOW, total stupidity.
Should those machines be depowered as required by our building codes, well, might take a few days of drying out but at least they will power back up without error - yes, done it in risk assessments.
Obviously you must work for people that have not the slightest idea about using hardware in a correct way and don't know when the time has come to throw
it away. Man, there is no way to let a drowned box survive. It is not back to
Wow, how long did you allege to have been in network/sys admin? 20 years? Really? I think you made a typo and and it should have read 20 minutes, ya know I have refrained from posting no here for a long time (apart from fact I rarely read the list), and I was not going to feed the trolls, but sometimes the smart mouthed know nothing, need to bitch slap upside the head so thats why I am devoting about 60 seconds to you.
Of course there is, networks dont throw away many hundreds of servers valued $7K to $10K, nor $100K+ storage systems, or $40K routers, LB's or switches, just because they got drenched - with power isolated.
normal when it is dry. If you don't get that I am pretty happy to be no customer. This can only be an idea born in the sick mind of a controller who
You will never be a customer _or_employee_ of mine, trust me on that one!
didn't want to pay insurance in the first place. We are talking about serious
Got nothing to with insurance, it might take 2 days to dry out and get back up and running, it will take an awful lot longer to get offsite backups and restore every last one of them.
I hope your employer reads this list, because he/she should be seeing alarm bells from your comments.
corrosion effects here let alone that you have a hard time even knowning when
yep, you sure did fail basic engineering
your boxes are really dry. Your fireman on the other hand seem to be stuck in the 80ths. Today there are solar panels almost everywhere _which you cannot turn off_.
Wow, you really are clutching the fantasy straws arnt you, perhaps your country lacks modernisation, I can go to the side of my house and isolate the panels with a flick of a switch, strangely enough and I guess in your eyes horrifyingly called "solar isolator" that stops the panels providing power to my electrical circuits, yes, there might be power from panels to it, but thats not going to affect my power circuits or equipment
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