[Dovecot] thunderbird not connecting

cannot get TB to recognize either pop3/s or imap/s server

can connect just fine with:

openssl s_client -connect ms1.myserver.net:993 . login ...

but trying with TB /var/log/mail.log gets:

dovecot: pop3-login: Aborted login (no auth attempts): rip=223.205.150.234, lip=xxx.xx.xx.xx dovecot: imap-login: Aborted login (no auth attempts): rip=223.205.150.234, lip=xxx.xx.xx.xx

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