Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net writes:
frankly 8 chars is laughable, i recently wrote a PHP library to generate secure random passwords and for 100000 passwords get 13 collisions is way to much given that that means you have a collision every 8000 tries which means not you need 8000 in a real world attack
(Off-topic)
Not that I disagree with the conclusion that 8 character passwords are weak by todays standards, but there seems to be something wrong with your generator (weak PRNG? limited character set?). 13 collisions in 10^5 passwords is terrible, even by 1980 Unix standards.
The keyspace for an 8-character alphanumeric password is 62^8, and assuming a random selection of keys, you would need to generate 17,397,806 keys before expecting a 50% probability of finding one collision:
(Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem#Cast_as_a_collision_problem)
p=0.5, d=62^8, n=sqrt(2*62^8*log(1/(1-0.5)) ~= 1.7E7A hash collision (again, assuming crypt is a halfway decent hasher) is even more unlikely, as the hash space is even larger (4096 salts * 64^11).
Jiri Bourek added
Yes, AFAIK DES encryption is obsolete for very long time and if you know hash, it's quite easy to generate a secret which will match the hash ...
Quite easy? Maybe if you could find a crypt rainbow tables for crypt(). Go ahead and invert "LXE5F6d8FPOa.".
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