On 7/15/14, Jiri Bourek bourek@thinline.cz wrote:
On 15.7.2014 11:13, Nick Edwards wrote:
On 7/14/14, Jiri Bourek bourek@thinline.cz wrote:
On 14.7.2014 00:24, Nick Edwards wrote:
On 7/12/14, Steve Litt slitt@troubleshooters.com wrote:
experience with Debian Wheezy is that lo "goes down" a lot, so this is one of the first things I do when odd stuff happens.
Use a better operating system then
Blaming operating system after *one* person reports something strange about it seems a bit overboard, doesn't it...?
debian has a long history of being clueless: old packages in new releases, untested packages in releases (mailscanner did not, and was never going to, work out of thebox in a recent release)
As most Linux distributions, Debian is a collective work done mostly by volunteers. If you want newer versions and tested packages, feel free to help them.
Why would I do that when I'm happy using other systems, and one thing I hate about debian users is, they are all so shit scared of using the source if they want latest versions they wont use them unless someone creates a deb package, FFS, they call themselves sys admins
And honestly, the situation about untested and old packages isn't as grim as you're trying to say.
not from the bitches i hear daily on other lists, including one I am one of the developers of.
debian has history of thinking it knows better than upstream: openssl screwup they told debian was wrong but debian released it anyway causing grief for not only debian systems but all systems including windows that used certs generated on a debi\an server.
AFAIK it was actually the other way around. Debian maintainers asked on openssl-dev list if their change is ok and were told that it is.
not from my recollection. unless they were told by a normal user, which is why -dev lists should only be populated by devs and not public.
and dont get me started on debians release/ftp manager and the personal biases there either, shall I go? I can but it would be a bore for most.
As far as I am concerned, there's no need to be more OT than we are now.
Also please stop sending me personal messages, I am on the list.
pffft blame gmail, I could not be bothered checking the headers each time i click reply