[Dovecot] Some of my IMAP Folders vanished in some MUAs
Hi, I'm using dovecot for some time now. Previously I was using Courier and I've migrated this setup to dovecot which went pretty fine.
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished.
The strange point is that it only happens in some clients, like Thunderbird 2.x+ or KMail 3.5.x. In others, like Thunderbird < 2, Mutt or my Webmailer (Horde) they still show up. These folders are still there, i.e. in the filesystem, and the permissions seem to match those of the other folders which can be seem in all MUAs.
I don't know if this is even related to dovecot but I think this is where I should start looking for an solution.
I'm using dovecot 1.0.rc15 from Debian (stable/etch).
It'd be great if anyone was able to help me. Thanks in advance.
Best Regrads Dominik Schulz
Hi,
it may be a susbscription problem, with the "old" clients showing all the folders and the "new" ones showing only the subscribed ones.
See if you can subscribe to the missing folders, or change the default setting to show all folders.
Aaaaaaaaaagur.
El Viernes, 3 de Agosto de 2007 09:44, Dominik Schulz escribió:
Hi, I'm using dovecot for some time now. Previously I was using Courier and I've migrated this setup to dovecot which went pretty fine.
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished.
The strange point is that it only happens in some clients, like Thunderbird 2.x+ or KMail 3.5.x. In others, like Thunderbird < 2, Mutt or my Webmailer (Horde) they still show up. These folders are still there, i.e. in the filesystem, and the permissions seem to match those of the other folders which can be seem in all MUAs.
I don't know if this is even related to dovecot but I think this is where I should start looking for an solution.
I'm using dovecot 1.0.rc15 from Debian (stable/etch).
It'd be great if anyone was able to help me. Thanks in advance.
Best Regrads Dominik Schulz
-- Joseba Torre. CIDIR Bizkaia.
Hi, that's it :)
Thank you very much.
For the records: Dovecot is fine, I have to blame the MUAs.
This is not what I call "user-friendly".
Am Freitag, 3. August 2007 09:54 schrieb Joseba Torre:
Hi,
it may be a susbscription problem, with the "old" clients showing all the folders and the "new" ones showing only the subscribed ones.
See if you can subscribe to the missing folders, or change the default setting to show all folders.
Aaaaaaaaaagur.
El Viernes, 3 de Agosto de 2007 09:44, Dominik Schulz escribió:
Hi, I'm using dovecot for some time now. Previously I was using Courier and I've migrated this setup to dovecot which went pretty fine.
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished.
The strange point is that it only happens in some clients, like Thunderbird 2.x+ or KMail 3.5.x. In others, like Thunderbird < 2, Mutt or my Webmailer (Horde) they still show up. These folders are still there, i.e. in the filesystem, and the permissions seem to match those of the other folders which can be seem in all MUAs.
Please don't top-post... :)
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished.
it may be a susbscription problem, with the "old" clients showing all the folders and the "new" ones showing only the subscribed ones.
See if you can subscribe to the missing folders, or change the default setting to show all folders.
that's it :) Thank you very much.
For the records: Dovecot is fine, I have to blame the MUAs.
Eh? Folder subscription is such a basic feature/function of IMAP that I would not blame the MUA in this case, I'd blame the user... ;)
This is not what I call "user-friendly".
Do you have a better way of managing folder subscriptions? As history has shown, Timo is very open to innovating in dovecot...
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Best regards,
Charles
Am Freitag, 3. August 2007 13:52 schrieb Charles Marcus:
Please don't top-post... :) Uhm, ok. That's a no-go these days?
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished. it may be a susbscription problem, with the "old" clients showing all the folders and the "new" ones showing only the subscribed ones. See if you can subscribe to the missing folders, or change the default setting to show all folders. that's it :) Thank you very much. For the records: Dovecot is fine, I have to blame the MUAs. Eh? Folder subscription is such a basic feature/function of IMAP that I would not blame the MUA in this case, I'd blame the user... ;) Yes, ok. Thats probably the case. I, as the administrator, should have known better, but I don't expect my end-users to know anything about IMAP at all. They just get the credentials to enter into their MUAs and shouldn't have to worry about anything else. This is not what I call "user-friendly". Do you have a better way of managing folder subscriptions? As history has shown, Timo is very open to innovating in dovecot... No, I don't. Please don't get me wrong. I very happy with dovecot. It's exactly as I expect it to be. I was just confused by the way different versions of, e.g. Thunderbird, handle subscriptions.
Best Regards Dominik
Please don't top-post... :)
Uhm, ok. That's a no-go these days?
It always makes list discussion difficult to read... bottom posting and snipping irrelevant material makes for clean, simple, intelligible threads.
Eh? Folder subscription is such a basic feature/function of IMAP that I would not blame the MUA in this case, I'd blame the user... ;)
Yes, ok. Thats probably the case. I, as the administrator, should have known better, but I don't expect my end-users to know anything about IMAP at all. They just get the credentials to enter into their MUAs and shouldn't have to worry about anything else.
Well, since I've never met a mail client that completely configures itself, you have to make up for this with, complete, clear and concise written user instructions... then be prepared to deal with the ones who will simply refuse to read and/or comprehend what you took such pains to write up for them.
This is not what I call "user-friendly".
Do you have a better way of managing folder subscriptions? As history has shown, Timo is very open to innovating in dovecot...
No, I don't. Please don't get me wrong. I very happy with dovecot. It's exactly as I expect it to be. I was just confused by the way different versions of, e.g. Thunderbird, handle subscriptions.
Understandable... but as you pointed out, that isn't a dovecot issue/problem... ;)
And I hope you weren't offended by my short/to the point reply - none was intended...
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Best regards,
Charles
Am Freitag, 3. August 2007 13:52 schrieb Charles Marcus:
Please don't top-post... :) Uhm, ok. That's a no-go these days?
Now I'm experiencing some strange behaviour when using some newer mail clients. Some of my Folders, like "spam", are vanished. it may be a susbscription problem, with the "old" clients showing all the folders and the "new" ones showing only the subscribed ones. See if you can subscribe to the missing folders, or change the default setting to show all folders. that's it :) Thank you very much. For the records: Dovecot is fine, I have to blame the MUAs. Eh? Folder subscription is such a basic feature/function of IMAP that I would not blame the MUA in this case, I'd blame the user... ;) Yes, ok. Thats probably the case. I, as the administrator, should have known better, but I don't expect my end-users to know anything about IMAP at all. They just get the credentials to enter into their MUAs and shouldn't have to worry about anything else. This is not what I call "user-friendly". Do you have a better way of managing folder subscriptions? As history has shown, Timo is very open to innovating in dovecot... No, I don't. Please don't get me wrong. I very happy with dovecot. It's exactly as I expect it to be. I was just confused by the way different versions of, e.g. Thunderbird, handle subscriptions. I can't say anything about the other clients, but I have been using
Dominik Schulz spake the following on 8/3/2007 5:39 AM: thunderbird on IMAP since 1.0.0 and I have never seen it defaulting to showing unsubscribed folders. Maybe your users did it for their convenience, or had the office "expert" "fix" it for them( you know that every office has at least one self-professed know-it-all that shouldn't ever touch a system).
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On Aug 3 2007, Charles Marcus wrote:
Eh? Folder subscription is such a basic feature/function of IMAP that I would not blame the MUA in this case, I'd blame the user... ;)
Well... it's irritating that the usual ways of dealing with SUBSCRIBE and LSUB make subscriptions break if (for example) the client's 'IMAP root' setting varies from one machine to another--even if the different settings are functionally equivalent, say, 'mail' and '~/mail' when the server's base dir is set to user's $HOME.
Clients and most servers could do a better job of being intelligent about some of that stuff. I realize you don't want to be too fancy, but... yeah. It's easy to blame the user, but the problem is usually more in the organization's instruction and guidance, which can be a lot harder to handle. No reason not to try to make things easier on everyone involved.
(Personally, I just tell people not to use subs. :P )
-Brian
Clients and most servers could do a better job of being intelligent about some of that stuff. I realize you don't want to be too fancy, but... yeah. It's easy to blame the user, but the problem is usually more in the organization's instruction and guidance, which can be a lot harder to handle.
Precisely... :)
No reason not to try to make things easier on everyone involved.
On that we agree... and certainly, if there *is* something that dovecot can do to make things easier - by all means, tell Timo - as I said (and should be obvious) - he is more than willing to make dovecot better, especially if it can be done without too much trouble (I wasn't kidding or being smart when I asked the OP if he knew of anything that could be done better)...
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Best regards,
Charles
On Aug 3 2007, Charles Marcus wrote:
On that we agree... and certainly, if there *is* something that dovecot can do to make things easier - by all means, tell Timo - as I said (and should be obvious) - he is more than willing to make dovecot better, especially if it can be done without too much trouble (I wasn't kidding or being smart when I asked the OP if he knew of anything that could be done better)...
Yep! I know. I actually did bring this up on the list a while back (June 18) and then followed-up with a proposed patch (June 20). Haven't heard anything about it, but I wasn't worried since obviously it's not the highest priority, behind fixes for the 1.0.x versions and 1.1 development and such. :)
-Brian
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:39 -0500, bhayden@umn.edu wrote:
On Aug 3 2007, Charles Marcus wrote:
On that we agree... and certainly, if there *is* something that dovecot can do to make things easier - by all means, tell Timo - as I said (and should be obvious) - he is more than willing to make dovecot better, especially if it can be done without too much trouble (I wasn't kidding or being smart when I asked the OP if he knew of anything that could be done better)...
Yep! I know. I actually did bring this up on the list a while back (June 18) and then followed-up with a proposed patch (June 20). Haven't heard anything about it, but I wasn't worried since obviously it's not the highest priority, behind fixes for the 1.0.x versions and 1.1 development and such. :)
I think I did something about that, or at least about a similar problem for v1.1. LIST/LSUB code in general has been pretty much rewritten in it.
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bhayden＠umn.edu
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Charles Marcus
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Dominik Schulz
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Joseba Torre
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Scott Silva
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Timo Sirainen