Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
On 11/29/2018 11:13 PM, Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
I've seen that happen on several lists.
I disabled DMARC on my mail servers. I really like the concept but way way way too many false positives.
Mostly lists, but also what sometimes happens - primary MX for whatever.com is down so mail goes to their backup with then relays it to their primary when primary back up, but their backup MX obviously isn't in my SPF record and they have things mis-configured causing a DMARC trigger.
I like the concept but it seems to have too many problems in implementation.
UNSUBSCRIBE
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot [mailto:dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Michael A. Peters Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 8:21 AM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
On 11/29/2018 11:13 PM, Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
I've seen that happen on several lists.
I disabled DMARC on my mail servers. I really like the concept but way way way too many false positives.
Mostly lists, but also what sometimes happens - primary MX for whatever.com is down so mail goes to their backup with then relays it to their primary when primary back up, but their backup MX obviously isn't in my SPF record and they have things mis-configured causing a DMARC trigger.
I like the concept but it seems to have too many problems in implementation.
Please visit
https://dovecot.org/mailman/listinfo/dovecot
to unsubscribe
Aki
On 30.11.2018 9.52, Gianfranco Bartolini wrote:
UNSUBSCRIBE
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot [mailto:dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Michael A. Peters Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 8:21 AM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
On 11/29/2018 11:13 PM, Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
I've seen that happen on several lists.
I disabled DMARC on my mail servers. I really like the concept but way way way too many false positives.
Mostly lists, but also what sometimes happens - primary MX for whatever.com is down so mail goes to their backup with then relays it to their primary when primary back up, but their backup MX obviously isn't in my SPF record and they have things mis-configured causing a DMARC trigger.
I like the concept but it seems to have too many problems in implementation.
UNSUBSCRIBE
Gianfranco Bartolini писал 2018-11-30 10:52:
UNSUBSCRIBE
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot [mailto:dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Michael A. Peters Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 8:21 AM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
On 11/29/2018 11:13 PM, Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
I've seen that happen on several lists.
I disabled DMARC on my mail servers. I really like the concept but way way way too many false positives.
Mostly lists, but also what sometimes happens - primary MX for whatever.com is down so mail goes to their backup with then relays it to their primary when primary back up, but their backup MX obviously isn't in my SPF record and they have things mis-configured causing a DMARC trigger.
I like the concept but it seems to have too many problems in implementation.
Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.2°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
Hi!
It seems we accidentically had a high amount of subscribers temporarily disabled due to DMARC on some sender's host. We have now taken actions to prevent this in the future and all temporarily disabled members have been restored.
Aki Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
Aki
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
You can visit https://dovecot.org/mailman/listinfo/dovecot
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:47 PM Michal Szymanski msz@astrouw.edu.pl wrote:
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
Same problem here.
https://dovecot.org/mailman/options/dovecot-news
Sadly the remind password button / unsubscribe email button click and claim to send me a email but they don't.
Assume its due a high mailq with the amount of messages that need to go out?
Regards Rory
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org On Behalf Of Michal Szymanski Sent: Friday, 30 November 2018 11:47 To: Per Jessen per@computer.org Cc: Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com; dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
Same problem here. I clicked the unsubscribed button, but didnt receive the email.
Regards Jan
On 30. 11. 18 10:50, glide3@gmail.com wrote:
Same problem here.
https://dovecot.org/mailman/options/dovecot-news
Sadly the remind password button / unsubscribe email button click and claim to send me a email but they don't.
Assume its due a high mailq with the amount of messages that need to go out?
Regards Rory
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org On Behalf Of Michal Szymanski Sent: Friday, 30 November 2018 11:47 To: Per Jessen per@computer.org Cc: Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com; dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
Maybe check that the "X-Original-To" header in the email is actually to you?
On 30/11/2018 10:01, Jan Vítek wrote:
Same problem here. I clicked the unsubscribed button, but didnt receive the email.
Regards Jan
On 30. 11. 18 10:50, glide3@gmail.com wrote:
Same problem here.
https://dovecot.org/mailman/options/dovecot-news
Sadly the remind password button / unsubscribe email button click and claim to send me a email but they don't.
Assume its due a high mailq with the amount of messages that need to go out?
Regards Rory
-----Original Message----- From: dovecot dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org On Behalf Of Michal Szymanski Sent: Friday, 30 November 2018 11:47 To: Per Jessen per@computer.org Cc: Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com; dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: DMARC policies
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
At the risk of being AOLish, me too. Unsubbed from Mailman, but still receiving mails.
Where do I go to stop them (and why have they suddenly started arriving)?
"Never, never, never give up" - Winston Churchill
On 30 November 2018 at 13:46 Keith Edmunds kae@midnighthax.com wrote:
At the risk of being AOLish, me too. Unsubbed from Mailman, but still receiving mails.
Where do I go to stop them (and why have they suddenly started arriving)?
"Never, never, never give up" - Winston Churchill
I am bit uncertain if you have actually unsubscribed or just disabled delivery (these are two different things).
If people are experiencing problem unsubscribing, you can also send mail to
dovecot-unsubscribe@dovecot.org
with 'UNSUBSCRIBE' as subject.
Just a note that we have not forcefully subscribed anyone to the list.
Aki
As pointed out already by several emails before,
a) mail to dovecot-unsubscribe@dovecot.org (which will unsubscribe instead of temporarily disable delivery)
b) go to https://https://dovecot.org/mailman/listinfo/dovecot and click unsubscribe, don't change your delivery options to notmail.
Aki
On 30 November 2018 at 11:46 Michal Szymanski msz@astrouw.edu.pl wrote:
Hi,
I have just started to get dovecot list messages which I had not been receiving until today. How can I opt out (again)?
regards, Michal Szymanski
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:42:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself?
thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
-- Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl) Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
b) go to https://https://dovecot.org/mailman/listinfo/dovecot and click unsubscribe, don't change your delivery options to notmail.
That's not at all clear (quite apart from the double protocol prefix). A lot of the potential audience of this list "know" how Mailman works, so why have you broken that knowledge by delivering to those who have disabled mail delivery?
On 30 November 2018 at 15:41 Keith Edmunds kae@midnighthax.com wrote:
b) go to https://https://dovecot.org/mailman/listinfo/dovecot and click unsubscribe, don't change your delivery options to notmail.
That's not at all clear (quite apart from the double protocol prefix). A lot of the potential audience of this list "know" how Mailman works, so why have you broken that knowledge by delivering to those who have disabled mail delivery?
This is my final reply to this subject, as it's getting way beyond it's usefulness.
Reason this happened was due to almost everyone on the list being disabled by mailman due to some senders having DMARC policy that requires mails to be discarded if validation fails.
The validation failure caused bounces, and mailman dutifully disabled these people after sufficient number of bounces received.
Hopefully mailman now handles this better in the future.
Also it appears that people do not have knowledge of how mailman works, since there were quite many 'unsubscribe' attemps on the mailing list, and questions on why they are receiving emails in the first place.
I am very sorry that I had to enable the delivery for people who had intentionally disabled delivery, but I didn't want to spend days figuring out the best possible way to fix the situation and in the end it's not a horrible bother to disable yourself again instead of spending hours debating this issue. These things happen sometimes, unfortunately.
Aki
I am very sorry that I had to enable the delivery for people who had intentionally disabled delivery, but I didn't want to spend days figuring out the best possible way to fix the situation and in the end it's not a horrible bother to disable yourself again
I have disabled mail delivery in Mailman.
I'm still receiving the list mails.
On 1 Dec 2018, at 12.37, Keith Edmunds kae@midnighthax.com wrote:
I am very sorry that I had to enable the delivery for people who had intentionally disabled delivery, but I didn't want to spend days figuring out the best possible way to fix the situation and in the end it's not a horrible bother to disable yourself again
I have disabled mail delivery in Mailman.
I'm still receiving the list mails.
You and at least another person I just looked at was subscribed via a different email address. You actually had 2 addresses from this domain. I disabled the other one now as well.
Hi guys
Why do I get these e-mails?
Cheers Freddy
Am 30.11.2018 um 10:42 schrieb Per Jessen per@computer.org:
Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 30.11.2018 10.03, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi AKi
I guess my address was re-subscribed then? I was subscribed as nomail before, do I need to update that myself? thanks Per
Yes. I had to do it with an automated script and mailman withlist interface is crappy. Sorry about this.
No problem, these things happen.
/Per
On 2018/11/30 10:55, Frederick Thomssen wrote:
Hi guys
Why do I get these e-mails?
You were subscribed to the dovecot mailing list but probably had it set to 'mail delivery: disabled' (possibly you read messages via archive and have subscribed so you can reply, but don't want to receive email copies of the messages).
Unsubscribe by sending mail to dovecot-request@dovecot.org with subject 'unsubscribe'.
Unsubscribe or change back to 'delivery: disabled' by web by going to https://dovecot.org/mailman/options/dovecot
On 30. 11. 18 10:50, glide3@gmail.com wrote:
Same problem here.
https://dovecot.org/mailman/options/dovecot-news
Sadly the remind password button / unsubscribe email button click and claim to send me a email but they don't.
Assume its due a high mailq with the amount of messages that need to go out?
Give it time. If all the email addresses which were disabled due to delivery failures have now been re-enabled, there are likely to be messages to a bunch of failing addresses in the queue, it will take a while before these get auto disabled again and things get back to normal.
Hopefully there aren't too many invalid addresses in this set, too many failures will trigger large mail hosts to start blocking the list sender..
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Aki Tuomi
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Frederick Thomssen
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Hendy Irawan
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Jan Vítek
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Keith Edmunds
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Michael A. Peters
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Michal Szymanski
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Per Jessen
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