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Hi mouss,

Am Mi den 20. Feb 2008 um 21:57 schrieb mouss:

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first of all, please reply private as I am not subscribed to the list. But if this question takes to much traffic I can subscribe.

the problem with non members is that some server in the path may discard or bounce our mail, and they won't get it.

I cannot follow completely. What is the difference if the mail is manually approved than that the people is member of the list?

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(not envelope send which has been addressed earlier). But As I use the '+'-Feature the envelope to will be the one interesting for me.

For example, I am subscribed to the mailing list gimp-devel with klaus+gdev@ethgen.de. So I want to use: require ["fileinto", "imapflags", "subaddress", "envelope"]; ... if envelope :detail :is "To" "gdev" { fileinto "Mailinglisten.gimp-devel"; stop; }

why not use a header specific to the list instead of your address? I mean something like:

if header :contains "List-Id" "<gimp-developer.lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU>" { fileinto "Mailinglisten.gimp-devel"; stop; }

This is independent on your address. so if you ever change the subscribed address, you won't need to change the rule. and if other users on your system need a similar processing, they can copy the rule.

Ah, that's true for well formed mailing lists like made with mailman or majordomo. But there are many mailing lists out in the wild where you have no other change than the "plussed" address to select them out. (The example might be unclear as the gimp-devel list is well formed.

Regards Klaus Ethgen

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Hi mouss,

Am Do den 21. Feb 2008 um 0:55 schrieb mouss:

the problem is not posting to the list. As long as you get the CC, it's ok. I only meant that it is possible that you don't receive an offlist message, for example because some server or gateway on your side uses a blocklist or play "discard me" games. I've already got bounces in such cases (when I post via my home ISP) and this doesn't get me in a good mood:)

Ah, since the last problem years ago I switched to do all mail handling by myself. I never ever use a smarthost of my ISP. I have my own.

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Ah, that's true for well formed mailing lists like made with mailman or majordomo. But there are many mailing lists out in the wild where you have no other change than the "plussed" address to select them out. (The example might be unclear as the gimp-devel list is well formed.

then you'll need to find such an example :)

Sorry, it is not all open to public. :-) But simply look at the exchange disease. (german: Austauschkrankheit)

The following seems to work for every list I've seen (by order of my personal preferences):

• List-Id
• List-Post
• List-Owner
• Sender
• Return-Path
• To or Cc

Sure, works in most of the cases. But there are some where it will not work:

• • exchange thing
• • Users who reply by direct mail but you wish to have that mails in the mailinglist folder
• • Ill lists
• • Users who reply to the list *and* to me (double mails) which I wish to have all in the mailinglist folder (Like I do with this mail. :-)
• • ...

Well, procmail is called by exim the same way than they might call deliver direct. There must be a way to pass the envelope information to deliver when using it in a pipe from procmail.?

Regards Klaus Ethgen

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Hi Steffen,

Am Do den 21. Feb 2008 um 9:59 schrieb Steffen Kaiser:

I suppose you intermix an "Envelope-To:" header with the "envelope" feature of Sieve. Latter is to use information _not_ part of the mail, but available in the MTA only.

Ok. But how can I pass such information from the Envelope-To-Header to the sieve?

If you have an "Envelope-To" header, just use the plain header feature of Sieve.

I want to use the subaddress on the envelope information. On normal headers it is not possible to use :detail or :user.

Regards Klaus Ethgen

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With v1.1 you can pass -a parameter to specify the full user+ext@domain address to deliver and :detail works. I don't know how you can give that parameter from procmail though.

$1 contains the plussed argument in Procmail.

-Remy