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Adam Shostack

9 May 2017 9 May '17

6:47 p.m.

Hi,

Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail ^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to (^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)

so you could write

^TO_dovecot dovecot

and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing ["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way.

Adam

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Christian Kivalo

9 May 9 May

7:25 p.m.

Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack adam@shostack.org:

...

Hi,

Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail ^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to (^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)

so you could write

^TO_dovecot dovecot

and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing ["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic

-- Christian Kivalo

...

Adam

-- Christian Kivalo

Larry Rosenman

7:27 p.m.

On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" wrote:

Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack <adam@shostack.org>:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail
>^TO_ did?  that was a macro which expanded to
>(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope
>|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)
>
>so you could write
>* ^TO_dovecot
>dovecot
>
>and grab messages to the list.  In sieve, I find myseld writing
>["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way.
You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic

-- 
Christian Kivalo
>
>Adam

I’ve been using:

if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] { fileinto "lists/php/general"; stop; }

For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them.

Adam Shostack

8:38 p.m.

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:27:22AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: | On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" wrote:

| Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack adam@shostack.org: | >Hi, | > | >Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail | >^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to | >(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope | >|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) | > | >so you could write | >* ^TO_dovecot | >dovecot | > | >and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing | >["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. | You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic |
| -- | Christian Kivalo | > | >Adam | | I’ve been using: | | if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", | "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] | ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] | { | fileinto "lists/php/general"; | stop; | } | | For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them.

Thanks! Is there anything shorter, or a macro capability? I ask because I manually maintain the file, and really this

if address :is :localpart ["to", "cc"] "csprs" {fileinto :create "csprs"; stop;}

is easier for me to read and edit than that.

Adam

Larry Rosenman

8:41 p.m.

On 5/9/17, 12:38 PM, "Adam Shostack" adam@shostack.org wrote:

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:27:22AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:
| On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" <dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org on behalf of ml+dovecot@valo.at> wrote:

|     Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack <adam@shostack.org>:
|     >Hi,
|     >
|     >Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail
|     >^TO_ did?  that was a macro which expanded to
|     >(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope
|     >|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)
|     >
|     >so you could write
|     >* ^TO_dovecot
|     >dovecot
|     >
|     >and grab messages to the list.  In sieve, I find myseld writing
|     >["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way.
|     You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic
|     
|     -- 
|     Christian Kivalo
|     >
|     >Adam
| 
| I’ve been using:
| 
| if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List",
|         "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"]
|          ["<mailto:php-general@lists.php.net>"]
| {
|        fileinto "lists/php/general";
|        stop;
| }
| 
| For all my mailing list traffic.  That seems(!) to catch most of them.

Thanks!  Is there anything shorter, or a macro capability?  I ask
because I manually maintain the file, and really this

if address :is :localpart ["to", "cc"] "csprs" {fileinto :create "csprs"; stop;}

is easier for me to read and edit than that.


Adam

I haven’t found one. You might(!) be able to use a script or something to generate it.

I just keep repeating the block of code.

Yes, it can be on one line, but I like readability (

-- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 214-642-9640 E-Mail: larryrtx@gmail.com US Mail: 17716 Limpia Crk, Round Rock, TX 78664-7281

Adam Shostack

8:53 p.m.

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:41:10PM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:

| | >^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to | | >(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope | | >|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) | | > | | >so you could write | | >* ^TO_dovecot | | >dovecot | | > | | >and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing | | >["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. | | You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic | |
| | -- | | Christian Kivalo | | > | | >Adam | | | | I’ve been using: | | | | if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", | | "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] | | ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] | | { | | fileinto "lists/php/general"; | | stop; | | } | | | | For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them. |
| Thanks! Is there anything shorter, or a macro capability? I ask | because I manually maintain the file, and really this |
| if address :is :localpart ["to", "cc"] "csprs" {fileinto :create "csprs"; stop;} |
| is easier for me to read and edit than that. |
|
| Adam |
| I haven’t found one. You might(!) be able to use a script or something to generate it. | | I just keep repeating the block of code. | | Yes, it can be on one line, but I like readability (

mmmm, sed 's/PROC_TO/(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope>|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)/g' readable > .dovecot.sieve && sievec .dovecot.sieve

Darac Marjal

10 May 10 May

12:50 p.m.

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:27:22AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:

...

On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" wrote:

Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack adam@shostack.org:

...
Hi,

Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail ^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to (^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)

so you could write

^TO_dovecot dovecot

and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing ["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic

-- Christian Kivalo

...
Adam

I’ve been using:

if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] { fileinto "lists/php/general"; stop; }

For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them.

I can't remember where I got the original algorithm (and, in particular, the ordering) from, but I've been using the attached sieve script for a while with numerous mailinglists. It uses the 'regex' module to parse the mailing-list name from the headers (with various attempts to handle most of the major mailing-list applications). The listname is lower-cased (for consistency) and the message is filed into that folder (creating the folder if necessary). This means that, when I sign up for a new mailing-list, messages just start appearing in their own folder.

-- For more information, please reread.

Adam Shostack

8:02 p.m.

Thanks! This is super-interesting.

As I try to set up include, I get failures which may indicate a need for more coffee, but in /etc/dovecot/cond.f/90-sieve.conf I have:

plugin { # Directory for :personal include scripts. The default is to use home directory. sieve_dir = %h/.sieve

# Directory for :global include scripts (not to be confused with sieve_global_path). # If unset, the include fails. sieve_global_dir = /etc/dovecot/sieve/ }

In .sieve/mailinglist.sieve I have your file.

In my main .dovecot, I have a line

include :personal "mailinglist";

When I run sievec, I see: sievec(adam): Debug: Effective uid=1000, gid=1000, home=/home/adam .dovecot: line 181: error: included personal script 'mailinglist' does not exist. .dovecot: error: validation failed. sievec(adam): Error: failed to compile sieve script '.dovecot.sieve'

I've tried include "mailinglist" and "mailinglist.sieve"; I've tried it in ~ and the .sieve directory.

All this follows https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Examples, with the exception that I'm using .sieve rather than sieve as the directory name.

Can someone point out where I'm failing?

Adam

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:50:23AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: | On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:27:22AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: | >On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" wrote: | > | > | > | > Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack adam@shostack.org: | > >Hi, | > > | > >Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail | > >^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to | > >(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope | > >|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) | > > | > >so you could write | > >* ^TO_dovecot | > >dovecot | > > | > >and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing | > >["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. | > You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic | > | > -- | > Christian Kivalo | > > | > >Adam | > | >I’ve been using: | > | >if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", | > "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] | > ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] | >{ | > fileinto "lists/php/general"; | > stop; | >} | > | >For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them. | | I can't remember where I got the original algorithm (and, in particular, | the ordering) from, but I've been using the attached sieve script for a | while with numerous mailinglists. It uses the 'regex' module to parse | the mailing-list name from the headers (with various attempts to handle | most of the major mailing-list applications). The listname is | lower-cased (for consistency) and the message is filed into that folder (creating the folder if necessary). This means that, when I sign up for a new mailing-list, messages just start appearing in their own folder. | | -- | For more information, please reread.

Adam Shostack

24 May 24 May

9:17 p.m.

This took about 30 minutes of debugging so I figured I'd share.

The list-id block was giving me false positives, so I changed a keep to a fileinto :create, as shown below.

Adam

# Mailman & other lists using list-id elsif exists "list-id" { if header :regex "list-id" "<([a-z_0-9-]+)[.@]" { set :lower "listname" "${1}"; fileinto :create "${listname}"; } else { if header :regex "list-id" "^\\s*

}
}
stop;}

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 05:02:27PM +0000, Adam Shostack wrote: | Thanks! This is super-interesting. | | As I try to set up include, I get failures which may indicate a need | for more coffee, but in /etc/dovecot/cond.f/90-sieve.conf I have: | | plugin { | # Directory for :personal include scripts. The default is to use | home directory. | sieve_dir = %h/.sieve | | # Directory for :global include scripts (not to be confused with | sieve_global_path). | # If unset, the include fails. | sieve_global_dir = /etc/dovecot/sieve/ | } | | In .sieve/mailinglist.sieve I have your file. | | In my main .dovecot, I have a line | | include :personal "mailinglist"; | | When I run sievec, I see: | sievec(adam): Debug: Effective uid=1000, gid=1000, home=/home/adam | .dovecot: line 181: error: included personal script | 'mailinglist' does not exist. | .dovecot: error: validation failed. | sievec(adam): Error: failed to compile sieve script '.dovecot.sieve' | | I've tried include "mailinglist" and "mailinglist.sieve"; I've tried | it in ~ and the .sieve directory. | | All this follows https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Examples, | with the exception that I'm using .sieve rather than sieve as the | directory name. | | Can someone point out where I'm failing? | | Adam | | | On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:50:23AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: | | On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:27:22AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: | | >On 5/9/17, 11:25 AM, "dovecot on behalf of Christian Kivalo" wrote: | | > | | > | | > | | > Am 9. Mai 2017 17:47:13 MESZ schrieb Adam Shostack adam@shostack.org: | | > >Hi, | | > > | | > >Is there a clean way to match on an email address the way procmail | | > >^TO_ did? that was a macro which expanded to | | > >(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope | | > >|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) | | > > | | > >so you could write | | > >* ^TO_dovecot | | > >dovecot | | > > | | > >and grab messages to the list. In sieve, I find myseld writing | | > >["To","cc"] and wonder if there's a better way. | | > You could use the X-BeenThere or List-Id headers to match mailing list traffic | | > | | > -- | | > Christian Kivalo | | > > | | > >Adam | | > | | >I’ve been using: | | > | | >if header :contains ["List-Id","Mailing-List", | | > "Sender","X-List-Name","List-Post"] | | > ["mailto:php-general@lists.php.net"] | | >{ | | > fileinto "lists/php/general"; | | > stop; | | >} | | > | | >For all my mailing list traffic. That seems(!) to catch most of them. | | | | I can't remember where I got the original algorithm (and, in particular, | | the ordering) from, but I've been using the attached sieve script for a | | while with numerous mailinglists. It uses the 'regex' module to parse | | the mailing-list name from the headers (with various attempts to handle | | most of the major mailing-list applications). The listname is | | lower-cased (for consistency) and the message is filed into that folder (creating the folder if necessary). This means that, when I sign up for a new mailing-list, messages just start appearing in their own folder. | | | | -- | | For more information, please reread. | | | |

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