Re: How to configure Dovecot to disable NIST's curves and still rertain EECDH?
My opinion is that security by RFC is not security, it's mommy medicine. Standards have had a terrible time keeping up with security realities.
NITS's curves leak side channel information all over the place. I don't have details on what implementations are set to calculate the NIST curves in constant time, and that's not an easy feat to do anyway so I don't want to depend on implementations that say they are actually doing it the right way. Frankly I can't be bothered to keep up with that. There are better curves TODAY, so yes I intend to use them if I can find a way. Otherwise, I'll just keep EECDH disabled.
I have EDH now, and I've not yet run into a client that doesn't support it. I want EECDH, but I won't use it without safe curves. I'm confident that EECDH with safe curves and a second choice of EDH will support any clients that are worth using. OpenSSL supports X25519, and that is half the battle.
Is there a way to change the curve selection in Dovecot?
On 2018-12-19 01:49, Tributh via dovecot wrote:
Do you really plan to do this? RFC 8446 section 9.1: A TLS-compliant application MUST support key exchange with secp256r1 (NIST P-256) and SHOULD support key exchange with X25519
I think your idea could be not future proved.
Beside that, how many mail-clients will remain usable with this cipher selection?
Torsten
Am 19.12.18 um 07:10 schrieb Kurt Fitzner:
My opinion is that security by RFC is not security, it's mommy medicine. Standards have had a terrible time keeping up with security realities.
NITS's curves leak side channel information all over the place. I don't have details on what implementations are set to calculate the NIST curves in constant time, and that's not an easy feat to do anyway so I don't want to depend on implementations that say they are actually doing it the right way. Frankly I can't be bothered to keep up with that. There are better curves *today*, so yes I intend to use them if I can find a way. Otherwise, I'll just keep EECDH disabled.
I have EDH now, and I've not yet run into a client that doesn't support it. I want EECDH, but I won't use it without safe curves. I'm confident that EECDH with safe curves and a second choice of EDH will support any clients that are worth using. OpenSSL supports X25519, and that is half the battle.
Is there a way to change the curve selection in Dovecot?
Yes. Try:
ssl_curve_list = X448:X25519
Tested and works with openssl 1.1.1a
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