Hi all,
First a disclaimer. I have played with linux off and on for years, but this is my first time trying to run a server completely on my own from start to finish, well it's on a vps, but still. I'm pretty techie, but a lot of this stuff is new to me, so I apologize for any *duh!* questions. That said, I've so far installed dovecot, postfix, wordpress, and related programs mostly successfully by following tutorials. I say mostly successfully, because I'm having a really hard time trying to get dovecot and postfix to behave together, and I'm about at the end of what I know how to find on google.
If you're still with me and not groaning at yet another newbie asking wtf did I do wrong questions, thank you! My basic setup is running ubuntu 18 with up to date dovecot and postfix. Sasl is installed, and I'm using a custom domain with all records successfully pointing to the VPS.
As I mentioned, I've been following tutorials. My goal is to have a mail server which can send and receive emails using this custom domain both from the shell and, much more often, from my primary computer using thunderbird. As there will likely only be two of us using this, I'm completely fine with the setup using mailboxes that actually have linux accounts. I'm also using maildir as the mailbox type. Furthermore, I want to make sure to use ssl on any mail connections.. Normal passwords but ssl being used.
So, following one tutorial I set up postfix and dovecot, then went to test it. The result was that while on the shell, I could send email to my gmail account from the domain and receive it just fine. I could also send mail from my gmail account to the domain and receive it on the shel. I even managed to get imap to work, so I could receive domain emails in thunderbird, after playing around with tb's settings. However, if using tb I attempted to send an email using the custom domain, smtp failed to connect.
I verified with my VPS provider that no, they do not block port 25, 465 or 587. I also verified that at&t, my home ISP, does not block outgoing smtp traffic, considering I am using google's for my gmail account. After hitting google again, I realized two things. One, for some reason port 25 never got opened on UFW, so I fixed that. Second, for some reason in all the stuff I did, postfix never got configured to use SSL.
I found yet another tutorial, and ran through it to set up SSL with postfix. However, in doing this I had to change a path for sasl, only to find out later that doing that broke dovecot! Imap completely and utterly stopped behaving.
Back to google again, and this time I found something a bit more up to date which explained how to interconnect postfix and dovecot. It goes through using mysql too, but I don't need that, so I skipped that part. Changed the sasl path back to what it should be, told dovecot and postfix to talk to each other and... Nope, still nothing.
I saw a warning that I should not use different certificates for postfix and dovecot, so I told dovecot to look at the smtpd certificate that I made. Not sure if that's what's breaking this or something completely different, as I'm also brand new to the ssl certificate creation process. So, here's the current status of using thunderbird with my domain.
mail sent from gmail to new domain, never comes back in thunderbird but doesn't bounce, either.
Mail sent via thunderbird to gmail from domain, works, but shows up as from my gmail domain as well, which makes me think it's defaulting to the gmail account even though the domain's smtp info is set up. This could be because just before writing this message, I got the accept this certificate dialog over and over again for the domain and had to cancel out of it.
One final point. I looked at /var/log/mail.log and, while at first I found an error in the path to one of the certificates, once I fixed that no error shows up. I restarted both postfix and dovecot, tried refreshing thunderbird and still no emails showed up. I see the connection in the log, but no errors.
Anyone have ideas? Even maybe just point me in the right direction for what to check?
Christy S wrote on Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:05:47 -0500:
I see the connection in the log, but no errors.
what do you see?
And, also, what exactly do you want to do? (e.g. with what do you send which email from->to via what, how should this affect your server and what do you check on your server?).
Test *one* thing at a time. e.g. first test if you can fetch mail, then if you can send mail, unencrypted. Then change to encryption and test that. It doesn't make sense to test everything at once. And only once a certain step works go to the next!
Note, dovecot is for fetching mail with a client, not for sending. And for authentication for postfix if you want. So, on this list you should focus on getting mail from your server with Thunderbird. What does Thunderbird say about that? If it doesn't work it surely gives you errors. If it doesn't give you errors it works (but you may not have mail on the server, that's a different story).
Kai
One tip: for checking whether or not you have access to your vps @ host:port you ought to use netcat or telnet from your localhost:
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-netcat-to-establ...
I frequently use telnet since you can also type in the protocol to a server (assuming the server expects ascii) and get a response out of it. E.g.
Type: $ telnet xyzzy.com 80 Server response: Trying 104.31.88.30... Connected to xyzzy.com. Escape character is '^]'. Type: GET / HTTP/1.0 Server response: <!DOCTYPE html> <head> <title>XYZZY</title> <meta charset="UTF-8" /> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,initial-scale=1,maximum-scale=1" /> </head> <body> <h1>You are in a twisty maze of passages, all alike.</h1> [snip] </body></html>
And yes in this case "curl" would be more a appropriate utility (for http) but not for other protocols that curl doesn't support.
If you telnet to a port that isn't opened and being listened on:
$ telnet localhost 4321 Trying ::1... telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused Trying fe80::1... telnet: connect to address fe80::1: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
Good day Mike
On 8/17/18 18:05, Christy S wrote:
Hi all,
First a disclaimer. I have played with linux off and on for years, but this is my first time trying to run a server completely on my own from start to finish, well it's on a vps, but still. I'm pretty techie, but a lot of this stuff is new to me, so I apologize for any *duh!* questions. That said, I've so far installed dovecot, postfix, wordpress, and related programs mostly successfully by following tutorials. I say mostly successfully, because I'm having a really hard time trying to get dovecot and postfix to behave together, and I'm about at the end of what I know how to find on google.
If you're still with me and not groaning at yet another newbie asking wtf did I do wrong questions, thank you! My basic setup is running ubuntu 18 with up to date dovecot and postfix. Sasl is installed, and I'm using a custom domain with all records successfully pointing to the VPS.
As I mentioned, I've been following tutorials. My goal is to have a mail server which can send and receive emails using this custom domain both from the shell and, much more often, from my primary computer using thunderbird. As there will likely only be two of us using this, I'm completely fine with the setup using mailboxes that actually have linux accounts. I'm also using maildir as the mailbox type. Furthermore, I want to make sure to use ssl on any mail connections.. Normal passwords but ssl being used.
So, following one tutorial I set up postfix and dovecot, then went to test it. The result was that while on the shell, I could send email to my gmail account from the domain and receive it just fine. I could also send mail from my gmail account to the domain and receive it on the shel. I even managed to get imap to work, so I could receive domain emails in thunderbird, after playing around with tb's settings. However, if using tb I attempted to send an email using the custom domain, smtp failed to connect.
I verified with my VPS provider that no, they do not block port 25, 465 or 587. I also verified that at&t, my home ISP, does not block outgoing smtp traffic, considering I am using google's for my gmail account. After hitting google again, I realized two things. One, for some reason port 25 never got opened on UFW, so I fixed that. Second, for some reason in all the stuff I did, postfix never got configured to use SSL.
I found yet another tutorial, and ran through it to set up SSL with postfix. However, in doing this I had to change a path for sasl, only to find out later that doing that broke dovecot! Imap completely and utterly stopped behaving.
Back to google again, and this time I found something a bit more up to date which explained how to interconnect postfix and dovecot. It goes through using mysql too, but I don't need that, so I skipped that part. Changed the sasl path back to what it should be, told dovecot and postfix to talk to each other and... Nope, still nothing.
I saw a warning that I should not use different certificates for postfix and dovecot, so I told dovecot to look at the smtpd certificate that I made. Not sure if that's what's breaking this or something completely different, as I'm also brand new to the ssl certificate creation process. So, here's the current status of using thunderbird with my domain.
mail sent from gmail to new domain, never comes back in thunderbird but doesn't bounce, either.
Mail sent via thunderbird to gmail from domain, works, but shows up as from my gmail domain as well, which makes me think it's defaulting to the gmail account even though the domain's smtp info is set up. This could be because just before writing this message, I got the accept this certificate dialog over and over again for the domain and had to cancel out of it.
One final point. I looked at /var/log/mail.log and, while at first I found an error in the path to one of the certificates, once I fixed that no error shows up. I restarted both postfix and dovecot, tried refreshing thunderbird and still no emails showed up. I see the connection in the log, but no errors.
Anyone have ideas? Even maybe just point me in the right direction for what to check?
participants (3)
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Christy S
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Kai Schaetzl
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Mike Makuch