Tracing Sieve actions
I encountered an interesting problem that one originator was being dumped into the Deleted file directly by my sieve. The sieve file was quite large and it was not obvious which entry was causing the issue. I recall there was a way to get sieve-test to show what is going on and which lines it used, but I could not replicate it tonight for anything. I ended up having to change all the deliver to the Deleted files to something else and test one at a time to find the offending entry. It took a long time. How do you get sieve-test to show the actual path it took through the file?
-- Doug
On 20/07/2022 09:34 EEST Doug Hardie bc979@lafn.org wrote:
I encountered an interesting problem that one originator was being dumped into the Deleted file directly by my sieve. The sieve file was quite large and it was not obvious which entry was causing the issue. I recall there was a way to get sieve-test to show what is going on and which lines it used, but I could not replicate it tonight for anything. I ended up having to change all the deliver to the Deleted files to something else and test one at a time to find the offending entry. It took a long time. How do you get sieve-test to show the actual path it took through the file?
-- Doug
Hi Doug, take a loot at https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#trace-debu...
It might help.
Kind regards, Aki
Thanks, that's basically the same as the man page. I finally figured out that the way to do it is with:
sieve-test -t - -Tlevel=tests .dovecot.sieve /xxxwhere /xxx is the test message. That gives the actual line numbers. I thought I tried that combination, but apparently not. Anyway, I am going to save that command line somewhere "in a safe spot" ;-)
-- Doug
On 19 July 2022, at 23:35, Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com wrote:
On 20/07/2022 09:34 EEST Doug Hardie bc979@lafn.org wrote:
I encountered an interesting problem that one originator was being dumped into the Deleted file directly by my sieve. The sieve file was quite large and it was not obvious which entry was causing the issue. I recall there was a way to get sieve-test to show what is going on and which lines it used, but I could not replicate it tonight for anything. I ended up having to change all the deliver to the Deleted files to something else and test one at a time to find the offending entry. It took a long time. How do you get sieve-test to show the actual path it took through the file?
-- Doug
Hi Doug, take a loot at https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#trace-debu...
It might help.
Kind regards, Aki
Thank you. I will have to look at "basic configuration" for sieving although I don't want things crashing on production.
I get too much mail at a publicly available address -- and while SPF+DKIM+DMARC does cut down on the bulk of obvious spam -- the spam that does get through is a little bit too "legitimate" to eliminate without special sieving rules.
This stuff really needs to be configurable per user without abusing root privileges and without futzing at the command line, or else it just isn't useful to the end user on the desktop or mobile device. Sieving needs to be either an email client thing, or else a standard interface for rules that can be configured and uploaded to Dovecot from the email client / reader software.
https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#basic-conf...
On July 19, 2022 10:35:40 PM AKDT, Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com wrote:
On 20/07/2022 09:34 EEST Doug Hardie bc979@lafn.org wrote:
I encountered an interesting problem that one originator was being dumped into the Deleted file directly by my sieve. The sieve file was quite large and it was not obvious which entry was causing the issue. I recall there was a way to get sieve-test to show what is going on and which lines it used, but I could not replicate it tonight for anything. I ended up having to change all the deliver to the Deleted files to something else and test one at a time to find the offending entry. It took a long time. How do you get sieve-test to show the actual path it took through the file?
-- Doug
Hi Doug, take a loot at https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#trace-debu...
It might help.
Kind regards, Aki
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Then you should probably look at ManageSieve protocol, available in Dovecot and some of clients, especially webmail ones and recently even discussed on this list.
Aki
On 20/07/2022 09:55 EEST justina colmena ~biz justina@colmena.biz wrote:
Thank you. I will have to look at "basic configuration" for sieving although I don't want things crashing on production.
I get too much mail at a publicly available address -- and while SPF+DKIM+DMARC does cut down on the bulk of obvious spam -- the spam that does get through is a little bit too "legitimate" to eliminate without special sieving rules.
This stuff really needs to be configurable per user without abusing root privileges and without futzing at the command line, or else it just isn't useful to the end user on the desktop or mobile device. Sieving needs to be either an email client thing, or else a standard interface for rules that can be configured and uploaded to Dovecot from the email client / reader software.
https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#basic-conf...
On July 19, 2022 10:35:40 PM AKDT, Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@open-xchange.com wrote:
On 20/07/2022 09:34 EEST Doug Hardie bc979@lafn.org wrote:
I encountered an interesting problem that one originator was being dumped into the Deleted file directly by my sieve. The sieve file was quite large and it was not obvious which entry was causing the issue. I recall there was a way to get sieve-test to show what is going on and which lines it used, but I could not replicate it tonight for anything. I ended up having to change all the deliver to the Deleted files to something else and test one at a time to find the offending entry. It took a long time. How do you get sieve-test to show the actual path it took through the file?
-- Doug
Hi Doug, take a loot at https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/sieve/configuration/#trace-debu...
It might help.
Kind regards, Aki
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Aki Tuomi
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Doug Hardie
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justina colmena ~biz