Oh, and thanks much for the support for recognizing timezones on the "From " line in mboxes. (mbox_from_parse_date). However, it looks like a minor tweak is needed. After you recognize the year, I think you need to skip over the following space in order to recognize the timezone offset. i.e., where there is:

    /* year */
    if (!i_isdigit(msg[0]) || !i_isdigit(msg[1]) ||
        !i_isdigit(msg[2]) || !i_isdigit(msg[3]))
            return (time_t)-1;

    tm.tm_year = (msg[0]-'0') * 1000 + (msg[1]-'0') * 100 +
            (msg[2]-'0') * 10 + (msg[3]-'0') - 1900;
    msg += 4;

Perhaps add:

    if ( msg[0] == ' ' )
        ++msg;

(Sorry that's not a patch, I had added a few other lines would skew it anyway.)

mm

bit late on trying out 99.10.2. Mailboxes are definitely working better with mbox format. I'm still seeing 15 to 30 seconds of 40% CPU utilization whenever I access the inbox (1400+ messages). I'm seeing similar magnitude but shorter duration hits of CPU utilization whenever I access any other mailbox. Utilization seems to go down a little bit once the indices have been built (i.e. after the first time) but the lag is noticeable.

in other words, performance is better than UW. (woo hoo!). Very early on the testing I have the server vanish on me at one point but since I was lazy and use the binary rh8 RPM, I need to do little investigation to find out if or where any log might be.

I haven't dared try mixed mbox/maildir mostly because of lack of time to a) research the right way to do it and b) clean up the mess if it dies. Converting over 100 percent to maildir has a similar barrier. I will get to it when the pain is bad enough. Fortunately 99.10.2 may have sufficient analgesic qualities for the short-term.

---eric

-- Speech recognition in use. Incorrect endings, words, and case is closer than it appears

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:52 am, Eric S. Johansson wrote:

whoops, spoke too soon.  delay are up to the 1-2 minute range for INBOX and 30 second delays are not uncommon with all the rest.

somebody out there still uses mbox? Hm wonders never cease.

I an say it does work well here using imap, pop3, imaps, and pop3s. Now I'm wondering about not using plain passwords. What is the easiest way to do this. For now I authenticate using pam but can change that.

Also to note when using squirrelmail for some reason squirrelmail does not like to pick up all the mailboxes. It does the inbox fine but I also have maildrop sorting out virii and spam into seperate folders. Squirrelmail does not like to find these. Kmail does find them fine however. Both of these are of course over imap. Am I just missing some setting here? Oh and squirrelmail will see on extra folder at a time but not more than that.

-- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler.

<!--><input type -->

-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-

Eric S. Johansson wrote:

:-) we have a mixed marriage here. I use Thunderbird/imap, she uses mutt. Haven't figured out quite how to make global procmail deliver maildir to my mailboxes and mbox to her's. heck, just trying to figure out how to get procmail to deliver maildir everywhere is a bit trying. On the gripping hand, if mutt can do maildir with no change of user interface...hmmm time to research something.

maybe it's also time to use a different local delivery agent.

I can heartily recommend Maildrop. Readable filter language and it's able to handle both mbox and maildir. I'm using it combination with exim4, but I'm contemplating pointing fetchmail directly at maildrop and bypassing exim4 since the only reason exim4 is installed is to handle local delivery, it's never used as an outgoing server or as an incoming server other than via fetchmail.

Ciao, Gordon

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 08:31:01AM -0800, Brook Humphrey wrote:

On Thursday 20 November 2003 07:28 am, you wrote:

...

Brook Humphrey wrote:

...

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:52 am, Eric S. Johansson wrote:

...

whoops, spoke too soon. delay are up to the 1-2 minute range for INBOX and 30 second delays are not uncommon with all the rest.

somebody out there still uses mbox? Hm wonders never cease.

Sounds like religion, there are inexplicably strong opinions on both sides. IMHO neither mbox or maildir are perfect, both have problems. I find mbox good for folders that never get very large.

...

mutt. Haven't figured out quite how to make global procmail deliver maildir to my mailboxes and mbox to her's. heck, just trying to figure out how to get procmail to deliver maildir everywhere is a bit trying. On the gripping hand, if mutt can do maildir with no change of user interface...hmmm time to research something.

Hm I use maildrop here and you can have individual rules for each user. These are stored in the users home directory. With maildrop i have it sorting spam and virii for me through spamassassin and anomy sanitizer. Really it could not be easier. I do believe bot dont quote me in this that maildrop does support mbox but I'm not sure.

We also use a local delivery agent that allows the choice of mailbox format for new boxes, or will honor the current format for an existing box.

I dont use mutt but I do know that pine does support maildir.

In some sense... last I knew there were patches available for pine, but the author of pine was very anti-maildir and refused to support it, ever. Has that changed?

I did however look through the muttrc. Uhg. Anyway I see others on the net talking about it but I see no one showing how they did it.

Mutt will honor the existing format, either maildir or mbox (or MH or MMDF). New mailboxes are created with the type specified by "mbox_type" - if not set, the typical default is mbox. As mentioned, mutt will also support pop and imap access, so it doesn't necessarily have to create boxes directly.

mm

On Thursday 20 November 2003 04:11 pm, you wrote:

Please tell me if there is somewhere patches actively supported, so I can add back the Maildir support in the package.

Oh, or even better: Extend dovecot to include a shared library for use with php4 and other packages :-)

a version of pine with these patches is actively maintained by the mandrake community. I happen to use them occasionaly. Mostly here though i use kmail or squirrelmail.

-- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler.

<!--><input type -->

-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-

On Friday 21 November 2003 07:21 am, you wrote:

If I am right about this, then "actively supported" means not updated since April 2001. Probably what was included was the patch that was latest worked on by Miquel van Smoorenburg...

I said by the community. Due to licensing mandrake(the company) wont even touch pine. Go look for plf. They are a bunch of guys like me that support things not normally distributed due to licensing issues. They have stuff that supports dvd and a whole slew of things there. For the most part if it is something you want but is considered to have questionable license then it can most likely be found there.

Pine is one of the packages there and they have patched it with maildir support. I also should be a little more precise. I'm not sure what version of pine it is and I dont really care as it offers what I need. By active I was saying that they keep a version of pine compiled for each new version of mandrake and at least it does have a working maildir support.

It may be the latest for all I know but it works so I dont care. I'm sorry but you can only do so much with an email program the rest is just overload. After I started looking at the options for mutt that thing might as well be sendmail (from what I have heard of sendmail. No experiance with it myself).

New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler.

<!--><input type -->

-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

Brook Humphrey wrote: | On Friday 21 November 2003 07:21 am, you wrote: | |>If I am right about this, then "actively supported" means not updated |>since April 2001. Probably what was included was the patch that was |>latest worked on by Miquel van Smoorenburg... | | | I said by the community. Due to licensing mandrake(the company) wont even | touch pine. Go look for plf.

Ah, that helped. Thanks.

Unfortunately it seems (from a quick glance) to be that same old patch.

It is.They took that patch from the Debian package back when I was maintaining it.

-- Jaldhar H. Vyas jaldhar@debian.org La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/

Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:31:01, Brook Humphrey wrote:

...

I dont use mutt but I do know that pine does support maildir.

Not out of the box. The author of the underlying c-client support library refuses to add Maildir support. I cleaned up and rewrote the maildir driver once, like many people did before me and after me, but it will always be buggy unless the upstream author incorporates it into c-client proper. I tried, but I'm convinced it will never happen.

by any chance would this be the same author who keeps refusing to document mbx format mailboxes and keeps claiming that a new indexed mailbox format is just around the corner?

It couldn't be easier with mutt - you do not need to do anything special. Mutt autodetects the mailbox format. Point it to a mbox - it will work. Point it to a maildir directory - it will work. Etc. That's why there are no instructions on how to use maildirs - you don't need any.

there you go, eliminating one more of my excuses for not making the conversion. Next thing you know, you will tell me that changing sendmail over to use maildrop for delivery of messages in maildir format is trivially easy and conversion of all existing mailboxes almost does itself.

damm, there goes my weekend :-)

---eric

-- Speech recognition in use. Incorrect endings, words, and case is closer than it appears

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Am Freitag, 21. November 2003 15:23 schrieb Eric S. Johansson:

conversion. Next thing you know, you will tell me that changing sendmail over to use maildrop for delivery of messages in maildir format is trivially easy

I don't know.

and conversion of all existing mailboxes almost does itself.

It is, as has already been discussed on this list:

formail -s procmail < /var/mail/"your_mbox"

is the procmail version to convert a whole mbox into a maildir, including sorting the mails into various folders, if your procmailrc is set up correctly. The simpelest procmailrc to accomplish this might look as follows:

SHELL=/bin/sh MAILDIR=/var/maildir/$LOGNAME ORGMAIL=$MAILDIR/ DEFAULT=$ORGMAIL

:0 ./

Greetings,

Gunter

PS: Don't forget to back up your mails first!

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

•               PGP-verschlüsselte Mails bevorzugt!                 +

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille. -- The goddess with the nice earrings (Terry Pratchett, Maskerade) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ http://www.lspace.org +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQE/v96/0ORHvREo8l8RAo/HAJ9DiW3K9D4IjCc8lgYhKIWMdwIZFACgg5Hv pI0JwekK/H8Fp/BfsIiV9ZE= =KneQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 17:21, Brook Humphrey wrote:

I an say it does work well here using imap, pop3, imaps, and pop3s. Now I'm wondering about not using plain passwords. What is the easiest way to do this. For now I authenticate using pam but can change that.

Depends on clients. If you only allow SSL connections, it doesn't matter if clients then give plaintext passwords. Most don't support anything else.

Also to note when using squirrelmail for some reason squirrelmail does not like to pick up all the mailboxes. It does the inbox fine but I also have maildrop sorting out virii and spam into seperate folders. Squirrelmail does not like to find these. Kmail does find them fine however. Both of these are of course over imap. Am I just missing some setting here? Oh and squirrelmail will see on extra folder at a time but not more than that.

Squirrelmail shows only subscribed mailboxes, maybe kmail shows all?

On Thursday 20 November 2003 09:26 am, Gunter Ohrner wrote:

This can be configured in kMail, the default is to show all folders, even unsubscribed ones.

Greetings,

  Gunter

the problem with squirrelmail is it will only let me subscribe to one folder besides the inbox. I can not subscribe to any other folders if I do it will add the new one and drop any other one that I'm subscribed to besides the inbox. This behavior does not affect the inbox at all. And yes kmail shows them all by default.

-- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler.

<!--><input type -->

-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-~'~-