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May 27, 2018 8:52 AM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote:

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May 23, 2018 10:10 AM, mail@sjemm.net wrote: May 23, 2018 9:46 AM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote:

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May 23, 2018 8:31 AM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote:

On 23.05.2018 09:13, mail@sjemm.net wrote: May 20, 2018 8:01 PM, mail@sjemm.net wrote: May 20, 2018 2:47 PM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote: On 19 May 2018 at 16:40 mail@sjemm.net wrote:

May 18, 2018 10:01 PM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote: On 18 May 2018 at 21:44 mail@sjemm.net wrote:

May 18, 2018 4:43 PM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote: On 18 May 2018 at 17:38 mail@sjemm.net wrote:

May 18, 2018 4:05 PM, "Aki Tuomi" <aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi> wrote: On 18 May 2018 at 16:43 mail@sjemm.net wrote:

Hi Tai74 and Aki, I followed your conversation with interest on how to setup per user encryption in dovecot. I have setup my dovecot with the following in a conf file:

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mail_attribute_dict = file:%h/Maildir/dovecot-attributes mail_plugins = $mail_plugins mail_crypt plugin {

mail_crypt_curve = secp521r1

mail_crypt_save_version = 2

}

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This works nice, all emails are being encrypted and every user/folder has keys. But as I understood from your conversation these keys are not protected. And I want them to be protected by the users password used by imap.

Those passwords are stored in a mysql DB file. ( I used a guide from workaround [dot] org to set up the DB and postfix/dovecot)

but how would i set it so, that the users password from the DB is used to encrypt the keys?

should i use mail_crypt_private_password = ? how do i point it to the mysql db then? im unsure about this

Do you have any hints on this?

Kind regards, Zjemm

The passwords in your MySQL database are, hopefully, not in plaintext. If you want to secure your user's keys using user's login password, you must have a TOOL that manages this.

You can use mail_crypt_private_password = %w in (mysql) passdb fields to provide the user's login password as private password. You might want to run it thru some hash, so %{sha1:password} might be a good option.

You can change the key password using 'doveadm mailbox cryptokey', this needs to be done every time user changes his password.

Also note that if you go down this road, and the user forgets his password, you will not be able to recover the emails without backup copy of the private key.

Aki

Hi Aki

I used the following command: dovecot pw -s SHA256-CRYPT

the output on the chosen password looks like: {SHA256-CRYPT}$5$Rokc06a7In4SF3bO$OQpGQWqg........

This output is used to store in the password fields in the database. So no plain text passwords no :)

You can use mail_crypt_private_password = %w in (mysql) passdb fields to provide the user's login password as private password.

can you explain this a bit more for me?

for now i have in the 10-auth.conf file the following:

passdb { driver = sql

# Path for SQL configuration file, see example-config/dovecot-sql.conf.ext args = /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf.ext }

and:

userdb { driver = static args = uid=vmail gid=vmail home=/var/vmail/%d/%n }

then i have in dovecot-sql.conf.ext

driver = mysql connect = host=x.x.x.x dbname=mailserver user=mailuser password=mailpasswordexample default_pass_scheme = SHA256-CRYPT password_query = SELECT email as user, password FROM virtual_users WHERE email='%u';

Where do i need to set : mail_crypt_private_password = %w ?

password as private password. You might want to run it thru some hash, so %{sha1:password} might be a good option.

the passwords are allready hashed in the DB using: dovecot pw -s SHA256-CRYPT to genereate the has. so this step isnt nesesary anymore am i right?

Thank you for your quick response, very helpfull

Zjemm

You misunderstood a bit. The idea is to use the *plaintext* password as the password for the private key. Otherwise anyone could just decrypt it by looking at your database where the hashed password is..

So:

password_query = SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users WHERE email='%u'

Aki

Hi Aki,

Thank you very much for your help, i realy appreciate that.

Ok so if i understand it correctly i'll have to use:

password_query = SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users WHERE email='%u'

in my dovecot-sql.conf.ext file

This query selects the user, the password, and %w

if i run a little query myself: MariaDB [mailserver]> SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users; +------------------+----------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | user | password | userdb_mail_crypt_private_password | +------------------+----------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | john@example.org | {SHA256-CRYPT}$5$M/GWzmtjsLroRWI | %w | +------------------+----------------------------------+------------------------------------+

%w is a dovecot variable, and stands for the plaintext password, but the password is not stored as plaintext in the DB, %w get filled with the actual plaintext password by dovecot upon the user that is typing in the password when authenticating.

is this correct?

yes.

so then i have the username the hashed password en the plaintext password as a result of the query.

yes

now userdb_mail_crypt_private_password = the plaintext password do i need to reference it somewhere? or is userdb_mail_crypt_private_password autmatically used by the dovecot mail_crypt plugin to encrypt the keys? or should it be mail_crypt_private_password?

It gets injected into the mail process as 'mail_crypt_private_password', as if it was set in plugin {} section.

if i have this setup working i'm going to write a blog post on this topic to share this knowledge

Thanks again and have a great weekend.

Zjemm

Aki

Hi Aki,

Cool i'm testing it right now. I have set up a new mailserver (life is great with lxc containers :) )

postfix and dovecot are working like normal

next i enable mail_crypt

i did create a file: /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-mailcrypt.conf

mail_attribute_dict = file:%h/Maildir/dovecot-attributes

mail_plugins = $mail_plugins mail_crypt

plugin { mail_crypt_curve = secp521r1 mail_crypt_save_version = 2 }

and then i changed the file: /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf.ext

so the query is now the new query: password_query = SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users WHERE email='%u';

then i restarted dovecot and postfix and send a test email to the one and only testuser that is in there.

when i open the mailbox with the tool mutt, i can see the new email, and when openening the email the mutt client drops the connection.

in the log i can see:

May 19 13:34:48 mailserver1.example.local dovecot[600]: imap-login: Login: user=<john@example.org>, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=713, TLS, session=<E3PnIY9sNM4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB> May 19 13:34:49 mailserver1.example.local dovecot[600]: imap(john@example.org): Error: read() failed: read(/var/vmail/example.org/john/Maildir/cur/1526736378.M161472P641.mailserver1.example.local,S=559, =571:2,) failed: Private key not available: Cannot decrypt key bfc5bb25b1bf64290eea6dc14b516c6a0a25b64551b6e4f0f8677ba7274887cb: error:03070068:bignum routines:BN_mpi2bn:encoding error (FETCH BODY[] for mailbox INBOX UID 8)

i think i missed a step, but witch one?

the userpassword hasnt been changed (that would be the next step in the testing process)

should i've use doveadm first to encrypt the key with that userpassword? i thought it would do that on the fly, because the initial keys where only just created when enabling the mail_crypt plugin

please let me know your thougts Zjemm I noticed you replied directly to me, and not to the list, too... fixed that for you.

mail_crypt_private_password is used when key is created, but if you have created it before using password, you'll need to encrypt it before turning the setting on.

Aki Hi, Ok i'm sorry about that, thank you for fixing that. i'm a bit new to mailing lists :)

are you a dovecot devoloper? or a enthusiastic user?

anyway, i managed to get it working now with all your help :)

to start fresh i did a: rm -rf /var/vmail/example.org

so all email is gone, and i assume all dovecot keys are gone that way.

Then i tried to set a password first:

root@mailserver1:/var/vmail# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john@example.org -n summersun result: Changed password for 0 key(s)

(summersun = the password for this user)

but then it says there are 0 keys, so then i send the test user an email and try to open the mailbox, i'll get:

imap(john@example.org): Error: read() failed: read(/var/vmail/example.org/john/Maildir/cur/1526827992.M149712P883.mailserver1.example.local,S=549, =561:2,) failed: Private key not available: Cannot decrypt key 71849013a70b0c631c06112077e7c2fe39b0b2737b4933b219793841209d4e7f: error:03070068:bignum routines:BN_mpi2bn:encoding error

but hey, now the key's are created, so i tried to set the password again:

root@mailserver1:/var/vmail# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john@example.org -n summersun result: dcrypt_key_load_private(787701bd677dd69a26842547a3926cbaa625b0b5a91751f06678c3e9708343d9) failed: password missing

Lets start over again, i did a new: rm -rf /var/vmail/example.org

i disabled the mail_crypt_private_password in the sql query and send an email to the test user. now again new keys are generated.

then i did set the password via doveadm:

root@mailserver1:/var/vmail# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john@example.org -n summersun result: Changed password for 1 key(s)

i enabled the mail_crypt_private_password again in the sql query part and now it works :)

YESSS!!!

if i now change the password for the user, i cannot read the email anymore. that is what should happen. so now i changed the password for this user also with doveadm:

• doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john@example.org -n qwerty -o summersun

and now i'm able to read the emails again. so it all works now as expected.

i have now only one thing remaining.

when i want to add a new user, i have to somehow:

• create the new user in the mysql DB
• start with dovecot not using mail_crypt_private_password (so disabled)
• send an initial email to let the users mailbox be created and generate the keys
• set the users password with doveadm
• restart dovecot again with mail_crypt_private_password (so enabled)

but this would be disruptive to existing users, and i would have to script the whole thing as a "add-new-user" script to make it usable i guess.

do you know of a more easy way of acomplishing this? could i use doveadm for all steps, and get around the mail_crypt_private_password disable part?

or could i add a column in the mysql db called userdb_mail_crypt_private_password and fill that column with %w for users that allready exist, and empty for new users. when being empty, it might not set the mail_crypt_private_password for new users

or is this the wrong way of thinking?

let me know your thoughts on this.

And last but not least, i really want to thank you for all your help. It is a really nice experience. Bless you!

Zjemm Hi Aki,

You did fix the posting on the mail archive, i can see our conversation on there, all but the last email i send to you. Maybe you did not received the last email?

would you be willing to take a look at my last question in the email See below: Thank you very much.

================================ i have now only one thing remaining.

when i want to add a new user, i have to somehow:

• create the new user in the mysql DB
• start with dovecot not using mail_crypt_private_password (so disabled)
• send an initial email to let the users mailbox be created and generate the keys
• set the users password with doveadm
• restart dovecot again with mail_crypt_private_password (so enabled)

but this would be disruptive to existing users, and i would have to script the whole thing as a "add-new-user" script to make it usable i guess.

do you know of a more easy way of acomplishing this? could i use doveadm for all steps, and get around the mail_crypt_private_password disable part?

or could i add a column in the mysql db called userdb_mail_crypt_private_password and fill that column with %w for users that allready exist, and empty for new users. when being empty, it might not set the mail_crypt_private_password for new users

or is this the wrong way of thinking?

let me know your thoughts on this.

And last but not least, i really want to thank you for all your help. It is a really nice experience. Bless you!

Zjemm

If you have mail_crypt_private_password set *when* keys are generated, dovecot should use that password to encrypt the user key.

Aki Hi Aki,

well, if there is a new email user setup in the mysql DB, and no email has been send to that new user. at that point there are no keys.

So trying to set a password on those key's wont work. see: root@mailserver1:/var/vmail/example.org# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john2@example.org -n qwerty result: Changed password for 0 key(s)

the keys need to be generated first. And that only happens when sending a mail to that new user. Also, at the point of creating the keys, the mail_crypt_private_password should be disabled otherwise the keys are generated and also encrypted with no user password, and then im unable to set a new pasword for that key

How can i set the password before the keys are generated? or can i manually generate key's and then set the password?

so at this point i have to do the following:

You can use doveadm mailbox cryptokey generate -u user -U

to generate a user key.

Aki

• create the new user in the mysql DB
• start with dovecot not using mail_crypt_private_password (so disabled)
• send an initial email to let the users mailbox be created and generate the keys
• set the users password with doveadm
• restart dovecot again with mail_crypt_private_password (so enabled) can i somehow enable the mail_crypt_private_password per user? because this mysql query always returns: %w and thus allways sets: userdb_mail_crypt_private_password SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users;

Hi Aki,

You are correct

doveadm mailbox cryptokey generate -u user -U generates the keys, but i have to first remove: '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password from dovecot configuration and restart dovecot.

if i don't do that, the keys are generated, but also somehow encrypted using: no password/empty/something else (i don't know)

here you can see that happening:

root@mailserver1:/var/vmail/example.org# doveadm mailbox cryptokey generate -u john2@example.org -U Folder Public ID ✓ <userkey> 53004acf9886f887ca081c83d7392a5aa3fac4b5a20ce013db91a341fb4644c4 root@mailserver1:/var/vmail/example.org# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john2@example.org -n qwerty result: dcrypt_key_load_private(53004acf9886f887ca081c83d7392a5aa3fac4b5a20ce013db91a341fb4644c4) failed: password missing

it expects an old password wich is never set in my opinion.

so the last part of this setup would be to figure out a way to disable '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password for new users without manually removing that part from the query and restarting dovecot. As that would mean connection interruption while adding new users

if we could add new users to the DB and somehow not give '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password for that new user in the query, we can add the password afterward, and then enable '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password in the query for this user

could we add a column in the user db lets say called: encrypted (yes/no)

and then change the existing query: SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users;

to firrt check if encryption is set to 'yes', if so retrun: SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users;

if not return: SELECT email as user, password FROM virtual_users;

but then in one mysql query so dovecot can work with it

?

Hi Aki,

would you be willing to respond to my last question i had send to you last week? its this one:

doveadm mailbox cryptokey generate -u user -U generates the keys, but i have to first remove: '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password from dovecot configuration and restart dovecot.

if i don't do that, the keys are generated, but also somehow encrypted using: no password/empty/something else (i don't know)

here you can see that happening:

root@mailserver1:/var/vmail/example.org# doveadm mailbox cryptokey generate -u john2@example.org -U Folder Public ID ✓ <userkey> 53004acf9886f887ca081c83d7392a5aa3fac4b5a20ce013db91a341fb4644c4 root@mailserver1:/var/vmail/example.org# doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john2@example.org -n qwerty result: dcrypt_key_load_private(53004acf9886f887ca081c83d7392a5aa3fac4b5a20ce013db91a341fb4644c4) failed: password missing

it expects an old password wich is never set in my opinion.

could this be a bug? or am i doing it wrong? if needed i could send in a bug report?

or might we need to enable the userdb_mail_crypt_private_password "per user" ?

so the last part of this setup would be to figure out a way to disable '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password for new users without manually removing that part from the query and restarting dovecot. As that would mean connection interruption while adding new users

if we could add new users to the DB and somehow not give '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password for that new user in the query, we can add the password afterward, and then enable '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password in the query for this user

could we add a column in the user db lets say called: encrypted (yes/no)

and then change the existing query: SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users;

to firrt check if encryption is set to 'yes', if so retrun: SELECT email as user, password, '%w' AS userdb_mail_crypt_private_password FROM virtual_users;

if not return: SELECT email as user, password FROM virtual_users;

but then in one mysql query so dovecot can work with it

Please let me know your thougts, after this last thing im done :) also let me know if i can support this project in some way, im willing to contribute

Zjemm You can select it as userdb_mail_crypt_save_version=0 to disable encryption (it won't disable decryption). You can use value '2' for enabling encryption. DO NOT USE 1.

Also I tried the SQL based thing, and if you had EMPTY mail_crypt_private_password, try these to change the password. If the one that works is the second one, let me know =)

doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u testuser -nnewpass -o ""

doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u testuser -nnewpass -o "yes"

Aki Hi Aki,

Thanks for replying

So if i understand you correctly i could enable encryption per user by using: userdb_mail_crypt_save_version= in the database as an extra column. the column would be called "userdb_mail_crypt_save_version" and the value is "0" or "2"

if a user has: userdb_mail_crypt_save_version=0, encryption is disabled for that user if a user has: userdb_mail_crypt_save_version=2, encryption is enabled for that user

would this also override the setting: mail_crypt_save_version = 2 in the mailcryp.conf file where that is a global setting? or should i delete it there and only use userdb_mail_crypt_save_version= from the database?

for the password set command i hve testest some things:

new user with no keys yet: doveadm -o plugin/mail_crypt_private_password=password mailbox cryptokey generate -u john2@example.org -U

i can set a password with: new password: doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john2@example.org -n newpass -o password

if i do not use new user doveadm: (doveadm -o plugin/mail_crypt_private_password=password mailbox cryptokey generate -u john2@example.org -U) then use this: doveadm mailbox cryptokey password -u john2@example.org -n newpass -o "yes"

so yes it is the second one

Kind regards,

Zjemm

It's unfortunate problem with 2.2 that it defaults empty userdb variables into yes. This has been remedied in 2.3.

Unfortunately there is no clean fix to this, they all resort to various levels of trickery. Variables set in passdb/userdb overwrite the ones in plugin {} section.

Aki