http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz.sig
Some minor fixes and (mainly logging) improvements since rc1.
* lmtp: Start tracking lmtp_user_concurrency_limit and reject already
at RCPT TO stage. This avoids MTA unnecessarily completing DATA only
to get an error.
* doveadm: Previously only mail settings were read from protocol
doveadm { .. } section. Now all settings are.
+ quota: Added quota_over_flag_lazy_check setting. It avoids checking
quota_over_flag always at startup. Instead it's checked only when
quota is being read for some other purpose.
+ auth: Added a new auth policy service:
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Authentication/Policy
+ auth: Added PBKDF2 password scheme
+ auth: Added %{auth_user}, %{auth_username} and %{auth_domain}
+ auth: Added ":remove" suffix to extra field names to remove them.
+ auth: Added "delay_until=<timestamp>[+<max random secs>]" passdb
extra field. The auth will wait until <timestamp> and optionally some
randomness and then return success.
+ dict proxy: Added idle_msecs=<n> parameter. Support async operations.
+ Performance improvements for handling large mailboxes.
+ Added lib-dcrypt API for providing cryptographic functions.
+ Added "doveadm mailbox update" command
+ imap commands' output now includes timing spent on the "syncing"
stage if it's larger than 0.
+ cassandra: Added metrics=<path> to connect setting to output internal
statistics in JSON format every second to <path>.
+ doveadm mailbox delete: Added -e parameter to delete only empty
mailboxes. Added --unsafe option to quickly delete a mailbox,
bypassing lazy_expunge and quota plugins.
+ doveadm user & auth cache flush are now available via doveadm-server.
+ doveadm service stop <services> will stop specified services while
leaving the rest of Dovecot running.
+ quota optimization: Avoid reading mail sizes for backends which
don't need them (count, fs, dirsize)
+ Added mailbox { autoexpunge_max_mails=<n> } setting.
+ Added welcome plugin: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Welcome
+ fts: Added fts_autoindex_exclude setting.
- v2.2.24's MIME parser was assert-crashing on mails having truncated
MIME headers.
- auth: With multiple userdbs the final success/failure result wasn't
always correct. The last userdb's result was always used.
- doveadm backup was sometimes deleting entire mailboxes unnecessarily.
- doveadm: Command -parameters weren't being sent to doveadm-server.
- If dovecot.index read failed e.g. because mmap() reached VSZ limit,
an empty index could have been opened instead, corrupting the
mailbox state.
- imapc: Fixed EXPUNGE handling when imapc_features didn't have modseq.
- lazy-expunge: Fixed a crash when copying failed. Various other fixes.
- fts-lucene: Fixed crash on index rescan.
- auth_stats=yes produced broken output
- dict-ldap: Various fixes
- dict-sql: NULL values crashed. Now they're treated as "not found".I Haven't had the time to check the sha1.h error with the new fixes but I've just done so after de 2.2.25 release was out and I'm having the same error:
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wall -W
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith
-Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime
-Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/kerberos/include -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o
.libs/guid.o
In file included from guid.c:6:
sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator
make[4]: *** [guid.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory /home/jc/rpmbuild/BUILD/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' make[3]: *** [all] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory /home/jc/rpmbuild/BUILD/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory /home/jc/rpmbuild/BUILD/dovecot-2.2.25/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory /home/jc/rpmbuild/BUILD/dovecot-2.2.25'
make: *** [all] Error 2
Operating System: CentOS 5.11 GCC Version: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
We have four systems like this with dovecot 2.2.24 working fine. I would like to know if this platform will not be compatible anymore with dovecot and if we need to upgrade our systems prior to dovecot version since, besides this, I have the problem related to the openssl version for the lib-dcrypt library
Thanks Juan C. Blanco
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Juan C. Blanco | | | | Centro de Calculo | | | E.T.S. Ingenieros Informáticos | E-mail: jcblanco@fi.upm.es | | Universidad Politécnica de Madrid | | | Campus de Montegancedo | | | Boadilla del Monte | Tel.: (+34) 91 336 7466 | | 28660 MADRID (Spain) | Fax : (+34) 91 336 6913 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
On 01 Jul 2016, at 19:09, Juan C. Blanco <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> wrote:
I Haven't had the time to check the sha1.h error with the new fixes but I've just done so after de 2.2.25 release was out and I'm having the same error:
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/kerberos/include -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator
I thought this was fixed in 2.2.25.. In config.h you should have only:
#define STATIC_ARRAY
(not #define STATIC_ARRAY static)
Operating System: CentOS 5.11 GCC Version: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
We have four systems like this with dovecot 2.2.24 working fine. I would like to know if this platform will not be compatible anymore with dovecot and if we need to upgrade our systems prior to dovecot version since, besides this, I have the problem related to the openssl version for the lib-dcrypt library
I recommend upgrading. We're considering not supporting older OSes anymore at all..
On 01/07/2016 18:51, Timo Sirainen wrote:
On 01 Jul 2016, at 19:09, Juan C. Blanco <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> wrote:
I Haven't had the time to check the sha1.h error with the new fixes but I've just done so after de 2.2.25 release was out and I'm having the same error:
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/kerberos/include -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator
I thought this was fixed in 2.2.25.. In config.h you should have only:
#define STATIC_ARRAY
(not #define STATIC_ARRAY static)
OK, my config.h contains:
/* C99 static array */ #define STATIC_ARRAY static
Regards.
Operating System: CentOS 5.11 GCC Version: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
We have four systems like this with dovecot 2.2.24 working fine. I would like to know if this platform will not be compatible anymore with dovecot and if we need to upgrade our systems prior to dovecot version since, besides this, I have the problem related to the openssl version for the lib-dcrypt library
I recommend upgrading. We're considering not supporting older OSes anymore at all..
-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Juan C. Blanco | | | | Centro de Calculo | | | E.T.S. Ingenieros Informáticos | E-mail: jcblanco@fi.upm.es | | Universidad Politécnica de Madrid | | | Campus de Montegancedo | | | Boadilla del Monte | Tel.: (+34) 91 336 7466 | | 28660 MADRID (Spain) | Fax : (+34) 91 336 6913 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
On 04.07.2016 14:24, Juan C. Blanco wrote:
On 01/07/2016 18:51, Timo Sirainen wrote:
On 01 Jul 2016, at 19:09, Juan C. Blanco <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> wrote:
I Haven't had the time to check the sha1.h error with the new fixes but I've just done so after de 2.2.25 release was out and I'm having the same error:
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/kerberos/include -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator
I thought this was fixed in 2.2.25.. In config.h you should have only:
#define STATIC_ARRAY
(not #define STATIC_ARRAY static)
OK, my config.h contains:
/* C99 static array */ #define STATIC_ARRAY static
Regards.
Operating System: CentOS 5.11 GCC Version: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
We have four systems like this with dovecot 2.2.24 working fine. I would like to know if this platform will not be compatible anymore with dovecot and if we need to upgrade our systems prior to dovecot version since, besides this, I have the problem related to the openssl version for the lib-dcrypt library
I recommend upgrading. We're considering not supporting older OSes anymore at all..
Hi!
This problem is hopefully now fixed by https://github.com/dovecot/core/commit/d9c865ce774aae9f2f17b89e7e94c3cfca29d...
Aki
On 04/07/2016 12:44, Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 04.07.2016 14:24, Juan C. Blanco wrote:
On 01/07/2016 18:51, Timo Sirainen wrote:
On 01 Jul 2016, at 19:09, Juan C. Blanco <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> wrote:
I Haven't had the time to check the sha1.h error with the new fixes but I've just done so after de 2.2.25 release was out and I'm having the same error:
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/kerberos/include -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator
I thought this was fixed in 2.2.25.. In config.h you should have only:
#define STATIC_ARRAY
(not #define STATIC_ARRAY static)
OK, my config.h contains:
/* C99 static array */ #define STATIC_ARRAY static
Regards.
Operating System: CentOS 5.11 GCC Version: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
We have four systems like this with dovecot 2.2.24 working fine. I would like to know if this platform will not be compatible anymore with dovecot and if we need to upgrade our systems prior to dovecot version since, besides this, I have the problem related to the openssl version for the lib-dcrypt library
I recommend upgrading. We're considering not supporting older OSes anymore at all..
Hi!
This problem is hopefully now fixed by https://github.com/dovecot/core/commit/d9c865ce774aae9f2f17b89e7e94c3cfca29d...
Aki, I had a go mock building on CentOS5 and it appears that the test succeeds with this patch in place:
configure:21182: checking if we can use C99 static in array sizes configure:21202: gcc -c -std=gnu99 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 conftest.c >&5 configure:21202: $? = 0 configure:21214: result: yes
(confirmed was built using unsigned char array)
In fact, after a cursory examination and some testing I suspect the CentOS5 gcc does nominally support static array sizes, and it's likely hitting a compiler bug on the build proper?
All I can suggest is a manual configure flag toggle of the test, or that this bug is better placed against Redhat? I haven't been able to narrow down a reproducer on triggering the error message other than during build.
-- Dave
On 1 July 2016 at 17:36, Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> wrote:
http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz.sig
On FreeBSD 9.3 i386, [wash@gw ~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25]$ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: i386-undermydesk-freebsd Configured with: FreeBSD/i386 system compiler Thread model: posix gcc version 4.2.1 20070831 patched [FreeBSD]
.... libtool: compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT file-set-size.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/file-set-size.Tpo -c file-set-size.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/file-set-size.o libtool: compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT file-set-size.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/file-set-size.Tpo -c file-set-size.c -o file-set-size.o >/dev/null 2>&1 mv -f .deps/file-set-size.Tpo .deps/file-set-size.Plo /bin/sh ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT guid.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/guid.Tpo -c -o guid.lo guid.c libtool: compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT guid.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/guid.Tpo -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator Makefile:1118: recipe for target 'guid.lo' failed gmake[4]: *** [guid.lo] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' Makefile:840: recipe for target 'all' failed gmake[3]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' Makefile:490: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src' Makefile:618: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25' Makefile:462: recipe for target 'all' failed gmake: *** [all] Error 2
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
On 1 July 2016 at 17:36, Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> wrote:
http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz http://dovecot.org/releases/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25.tar.gz.sig
Some minor fixes and (mainly logging) improvements since rc1.
* lmtp: Start tracking lmtp_user_concurrency_limit and rejectalready at RCPT TO stage. This avoids MTA unnecessarily completing DATA only to get an error. * doveadm: Previously only mail settings were read from protocol doveadm { .. } section. Now all settings are.
+ quota: Added quota_over_flag_lazy_check setting. It avoidschecking quota_over_flag always at startup. Instead it's checked only when quota is being read for some other purpose. + auth: Added a new auth policy service: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Authentication/Policy + auth: Added PBKDF2 password scheme + auth: Added %{auth_user}, %{auth_username} and %{auth_domain} + auth: Added ":remove" suffix to extra field names to remove them. + auth: Added "delay_until=<timestamp>[+<max random secs>]" passdb extra field. The auth will wait until <timestamp> and optionally some randomness and then return success. + dict proxy: Added idle_msecs=<n> parameter. Support async operations. + Performance improvements for handling large mailboxes. + Added lib-dcrypt API for providing cryptographic functions. + Added "doveadm mailbox update" command + imap commands' output now includes timing spent on the "syncing" stage if it's larger than 0. + cassandra: Added metrics=<path> to connect setting to output internal statistics in JSON format every second to <path>. + doveadm mailbox delete: Added -e parameter to delete only empty mailboxes. Added --unsafe option to quickly delete a mailbox, bypassing lazy_expunge and quota plugins. + doveadm user & auth cache flush are now available via doveadm-server. + doveadm service stop <services> will stop specified services while leaving the rest of Dovecot running. + quota optimization: Avoid reading mail sizes for backends which don't need them (count, fs, dirsize) + Added mailbox { autoexpunge_max_mails=<n> } setting. + Added welcome plugin: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Welcome + fts: Added fts_autoindex_exclude setting. - v2.2.24's MIME parser was assert-crashing on mails having truncated MIME headers. - auth: With multiple userdbs the final success/failure result wasn't always correct. The last userdb's result was always used. - doveadm backup was sometimes deleting entire mailboxes unnecessarily. - doveadm: Command -parameters weren't being sent to doveadm-server. - If dovecot.index read failed e.g. because mmap() reached VSZ limit, an empty index could have been opened instead, corrupting the mailbox state. - imapc: Fixed EXPUNGE handling when imapc_features didn't have modseq. - lazy-expunge: Fixed a crash when copying failed. Various other fixes. - fts-lucene: Fixed crash on index rescan. - auth_stats=yes produced broken output - dict-ldap: Various fixes - dict-sql: NULL values crashed. Now they're treated as "not found".
Also ...
(21:13:24 <~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25>) 0 $ gmake gmake all-recursive gmake[1]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25' Making all in . gmake[2]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25' /bin/bash ./update-version.sh . . gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25' Making all in src gmake[2]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src' Making all in lib-test gmake[3]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib-test' gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for 'all'. gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib-test' Making all in lib gmake[3]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' gmake all-am gmake[4]: Entering directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT guid.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/guid.Tpo -c -o guid.lo guid.c libtool: compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -std=gnu99 -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wchar-subscripts -Wformat=2 -Wbad-function-cast -fno-builtin-strftime -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -I/usr/local/include -MT guid.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/guid.Tpo -c guid.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/guid.o In file included from guid.c:6: sha1.h:80: error: static or type qualifiers in abstract declarator Makefile:1118: recipe for target 'guid.lo' failed gmake[4]: *** [guid.lo] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' Makefile:840: recipe for target 'all' failed gmake[3]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src/lib' Makefile:490: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25/src' Makefile:618: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/wash/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25' Makefile:462: recipe for target 'all' failed gmake: *** [all] Error 2
(21:13:26 <~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25>) 0 $ uname -a FreeBSD gw.kictanet.or.ke 8.4-STABLE FreeBSD 8.4-STABLE #3: Sun May 17 14:55:55 EAT 2015 root@gw.kictanet.or.ke:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GW i386 (21:13:40 <~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25>) 0 $
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Am 01.07.2016 um 20:10 schrieb Odhiambo Washington:
(21:13:26 <~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25>) 0 $ uname -a FreeBSD gw.kictanet.or.ke 8.4-STABLE FreeBSD 8.4-STABLE #3: Sun May 17 14:55:55 EAT 2015 root@gw.kictanet.or.ke:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GW i386 (21:13:40 <~/Tools/Dovecot/2.2/dovecot-2.2.25>) 0 $
FreeBSD 8.4 is not supported anymore, you should upgrade at least to 9.3 better 10.3.
Gruß Matthias
--
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook
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Aki Tuomi
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Juan C. Blanco
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