[Dovecot] Gentoo overlay?
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Thanks,
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:43:47 -0400 Charles Marcus CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Thanks,
Take a look on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480. You can simply add this ebuild to your local overlay tree. Here is more info about this http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds.
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
Thanks,
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I am just trying to figure out how it works. Your help from Friday motivated me. :-)
Steve schrieb:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
Thanks,
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Datum: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:11:41 +0200 Von: "Marko Weber | Salondigital.de" marko.weber@salondigital.de An: Dovecot Mailing List dovecot@dovecot.org Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] Gentoo overlay?
I am just trying to figure out how it works. Your help from Friday motivated me. :-)
:)
Steve schrieb:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
Thanks,
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Charles
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On 7/26/2009 8:16 AM, Steve wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a programmer, or understands this stuff well enough to write their own software.
Why do you use the kernels put out by kernel.org? Why don't you just code your own?
Elitist crap...
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i think you took it too personal. maybe it was not thought as elitist crap. just to motivate you.....
Charles Marcus schrieb:
On 7/26/2009 8:16 AM, Steve wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a programmer, or understands this stuff well enough to write their own software.
Why do you use the kernels put out by kernel.org? Why don't you just code your own?
Elitist crap...
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On 7/26/2009 10:03 AM, Marko Weber | Salondigital.de wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a programmer, or understands this stuff well enough to write their own software.
Why do you use the kernels put out by kernel.org? Why don't you just code your own?
Elitist crap...
i think you took it too personal. maybe it was not thought as elitist crap. just to motivate you.....
Maybe... but in that case, he should have sent something direct to me, maybe even with a few pointers...
A quick google shows: http://tiny.pl/hhc4k
Oh, yeah, its really simple, and anyone who can't do it without spending more than a few minutes learning how is - a non-programmer?
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message.
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Datum: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:43:10 -0400 Von: Charles Marcus CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com An: Dovecot Mailing List dovecot@dovecot.org Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] Gentoo overlay?
On 7/26/2009 10:03 AM, Marko Weber | Salondigital.de wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a programmer, or understands this stuff well enough to write their own software.
Why do you use the kernels put out by kernel.org? Why don't you just code your own?
Elitist crap...
i think you took it too personal. maybe it was not thought as elitist crap. just to motivate you.....
Maybe... but in that case, he should have sent something direct to me, maybe even with a few pointers...
A quick google shows: http://tiny.pl/hhc4k
Oh, yeah, its really simple, and anyone who can't do it without spending more than a few minutes learning how is - a non-programmer?
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message.
Here you go: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480
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On 7/27/2009 12:58 AM, Steve wrote:
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message.
Here you go: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480
Thanks for trying, but that is not an overlay, it is just an ebuild, and only a work in progress at that... yes, I know how to manually add ebuilds to my local overlay (I have a few), but I would prefer to find a fully functional overlay (3rd party is fine) maintained by someone who knows what they are doing and will keep dovecot up to date on an ongoing basis...
p.s. Steve - sorry if I took your simple comment too personally, but the 'well, just build it yourself' response from programmers just irks me sometimes... maybe even there's a hint of jealousy in there somewhere too... ;)
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Charles Marcus schreef:
On 7/27/2009 12:58 AM, Steve wrote:
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message.
Here you go: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480
Thanks for trying, but that is not an overlay, it is just an ebuild, and only a work in progress at that... yes, I know how to manually add ebuilds to my local overlay (I have a few), but I would prefer to find a fully functional overlay (3rd party is fine) maintained by someone who knows what they are doing and will keep dovecot up to date on an ongoing basis...
I maintain a private overlay which contains mainly work in progress stuff for Sunrise. I have no issues adding this ebuild to it, and reviewing/testing it a bit (running 1.1.16 from gentoo's ~arch right now). If that would suffice for you (and others), I'll look into it tonight.
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Charles Marcus schreef:
On 7/27/2009 12:58 AM, Steve wrote:
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message. Here you go: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480 Thanks for trying, but that is not an overlay, it is just an ebuild, and only a work in progress at that... yes, I know how to manually add ebuilds to my local overlay (I have a few), but I would prefer to find a fully functional overlay (3rd party is fine) maintained by someone who knows what they are doing and will keep dovecot up to date on an ongoing basis...
I maintain a private overlay which contains mainly work in progress stuff for Sunrise. I have no issues adding this ebuild to it, and reviewing/testing it a bit (running 1.1.16 from gentoo's ~arch right now). If that would suffice for you (and others), I'll look into it tonight.
After some off-list discussion, I've added the ebuild for dovecot from bugs.gentoo.org to my overlay, and updated it to dovecot-1.2.2 (with yesterday's sieve update). dovecot-antispam-1.2 is also available there.
So for ppl interested in using it, overlay is available from: https://svn.whyscream.net/whyscream-overlay/testing
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Datum: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:12:44 -0400 Von: Charles Marcus CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com An: Dovecot Mailing List dovecot@dovecot.org Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] Gentoo overlay?
On 7/27/2009 12:58 AM, Steve wrote:
Enough, I'm really only interested in further responses if someone actually wants to respond to the subject of the message.
Here you go: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276480
Thanks for trying, but that is not an overlay, it is just an ebuild, and only a work in progress at that... yes, I know how to manually add ebuilds to my local overlay (I have a few), but I would prefer to find a fully functional overlay (3rd party is fine) maintained by someone who knows what they are doing and will keep dovecot up to date on an ongoing basis...
I am not aware of such an overlay. None of the public available at http://overlays.gentoo.org/ have Dovecot in their repository.
p.s. Steve - sorry if I took your simple comment too personally,
Yes. You did. But hey! We are all human and what do I know what happened on that day in your life? Nothing. Maybe you just had a bad day? I am not mad at all. Why should I?
but the 'well, just build it yourself' response from programmers just irks me sometimes...
I understand that. But I am not a programmer. I know programming and sure one part of my earning is done from programming but that is just one small part. Anyway...
maybe even there's a hint of jealousy in there somewhere too... ;)
You should not be. In the beginning everything is somehow hard. But only starting is the hard part. After a while you will find yourself doing it for pretty much everything you need and can't wait that a Gentoo developer does it for you. You even will realize that not everything done in Gentoo is the way you like it and you see then possibilities in doing things better (for you) then the original Gentoo ebuild developer has done. Off course you will go to bugs.gentoo.org and post there your requests for change and there will be situations/ebuilds where the original Gentoo developer will welcome your changes and there will be situations/ebuilds where the Gentoo developer is ignorant and you give up and basically maintain your own ebuild.
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Charles Marcus wrote:
A quick google shows: http://tiny.pl/hhc4k
Hi Charles
Writing a decent ebuild from scratch which is good enough to be accepted IS fairly tricky, but the good news is a "good enough" one is fairly straightforward.
Actually the whole thing sounds more grandiose than it really is.
Fundamentally the ebuild is just a bunch of scripts to help build the
normal source code and automate the whole "./configure && make && make
install" routine
I might be a bit behind, but in general I have found the dovecot ebuild in gentoo reasonably up to date? I would suggest if it lags a bit then just create a bug on b.g.o and request a bump. Likely after you do that twice you will figure out the address of the maintainer and can annoy them directly...
Additionally if you compare a couple of ebuilds and open them up then they are reasonably readable, and if you need to bump something then you will *usually* find that it's enough simply to rename the existing ebuild to the new version name and shove it in /usr/local/portage (and I guess you already know the next incantations?). With a project as stable as dovecot I doubt there will be too much reason for ebuild to change from version to version?
Personally I'm not a master at writing ebuilds, but I have to say it's fairly simple to take an existing one and add a custom patch or bump it to a new version (and sometimes I need to look at a few others to crib the syntax for something, but it's usually fairly easy to cut'n'paste).
Hopefully this will actually prove faster and more solid than an overlay though?
Good luck
Ed W
On 7/27/2009 11:43 AM, Ed W wrote:
A quick google shows: http://tiny.pl/hhc4k
Writing a decent ebuild from scratch which is good enough to be accepted IS fairly tricky, but the good news is a "good enough" one is fairly straightforward.
Hi Ed,
Thanks very much for your detailed reply... I may send a more detailed response privately...
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On 7/26/2009 8:16 AM, Steve wrote:
Does anyone know of a decent gentoo overlay that keeps dovecot+ reasonably up to date?
Why don't you do the ebuilds yourself? It's not that hard.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a programmer, or understands this stuff well enough to write their own software.
It's not about writing software. Writing a ebuild is +/- nothing more then automating what you do on the command line if you would compile it by hand. That's far, far, far, far away from writing software. I mean business grade software or professional software development.
Why do you use the kernels put out by kernel.org? Why don't you just code your own?
No need to get personal. I did not attacked you. I just hinted the possibility to write your own ebuild.
Elitist crap...
What is wrong with you? Just because I know or better to say: I learned how to write ebuilds, does not mean that I am better then you. I don't put myself above you. I don't know you (beside that I see you since years posting on some mailing lists where I have as well subscribed). So please stop that right now. If you have issues with my comment then better address me directly.
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