[Dovecot] OT Thunderbird
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds
more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
-- xpoint
On 8/7/2010 6:24 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
Maybe it would help if you actually said *who* was doing this?
I don't see any obviously broken threads, at least in the last few days...
On søn 08 aug 2010 16:34:14 CEST, Charles Marcus wrote
On 8/7/2010 6:24 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
Maybe it would help if you actually said *who* was doing this?
I don't see any obviously broken threads, at least in the last few days...
amavisd-new quantine msgs from Timo, i know there are others
-- xpoint
Benny Pedersen wrote:
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
Maybe it would help if you actually said *who* was doing this?
I don't see any obviously broken threads, at least in the last few days...
amavisd-new quantine msgs from Timo, i know there are others
I just peeked at the last 10 or so messages from Timo, many of which had multiple references (but only one References header line).
So, either Thunderbird is automagically combining the multiple References header lines into one, or your amavisd-new is mangling them... or...?
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Best regards,
Charles
On man 09 aug 2010 12:42:11 CEST, Charles Marcus wrote
So, either Thunderbird is automagically combining the multiple References header lines into one, or your amavisd-new is mangling them... or...?
last site i see it on was mail.ims.co.at
maybe not thunderbirds fault, but in all cases thunderbird was used in
the quarantined mails here
-- xpoint
Benny Pedersen wrote:
maybe not thunderbirds fault, but in all cases thunderbird was used in the quarantined mails here
Thunderbird has nothing to do with amavisd-new... it may be what you are using to view the quarantined messages, but it is just an MUA...
If you are seeing these extra headers only in messages that have been quarantined, the problem is with amavisd-new.
Otherwise, please point to a specific Message-ID that exhibits the problem.
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Best regards,
Charles
On 11:59 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
maybe not thunderbirds fault, but in all cases thunderbird was used in the quarantined mails here
I looked at the last several list messages from Timo, and they mostly are composed with "X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3" and some with "X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081)". I saw none from any version of Thunderbird, and none with more than one References: header.
Perhaps you could give a Message-ID or other identifying information about one of the offending messages.
-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On man 09 aug 2010 16:53:58 CEST, Mark Sapiro wrote
Perhaps you could give a Message-ID or other identifying information about one of the offending messages.
Message-ID: 4C5D97DF.3060106@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5D7D90.3030903@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C7358.2090608@test.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C575B.3010808@test.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C4B98.3050103@test.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C215F.9050304@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C0486.8020503@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5BD654.10208@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5BBC0F.8050807@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5B1B87.8090705@list.ims.co.at
-- xpoint
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 17:19 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On man 09 aug 2010 16:53:58 CEST, Mark Sapiro wrote
Perhaps you could give a Message-ID or other identifying information about one of the offending messages.
Message-ID: 4C5D97DF.3060106@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5D7D90.3030903@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C7358.2090608@test.ims.co.at ..
Yeah, those are buggy and have multiple References: headers. But they're not from me like you said..
Samuel: Fix your client. :)
Timo, oh man, I see these are really my messages. Lets try if this new one has got only one reference...
Seems to be a problem with my postfix virtual alias going into test domain with own dovecot-imap. Thunderbird tries to insert 2 references, but no sure why.
Btw, did you look at the LSUB/listescape bug ? I've got quite lost in your pointer jungle...
On 08/09/2010 05:23 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 17:19 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On man 09 aug 2010 16:53:58 CEST, Mark Sapiro wrote
Perhaps you could give a Message-ID or other identifying information about one of the offending messages. Message-ID: 4C5D97DF.3060106@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5D7D90.3030903@list.ims.co.at Message-ID: 4C5C7358.2090608@test.ims.co.at ..
Yeah, those are buggy and have multiple References: headers. But they're not from me like you said..
Samuel: Fix your client. :)
Samuel Kvasnica wrote:
Timo, oh man, I see these are really my messages. Lets try if this new one has got only one reference...
Seems to be a problem with my postfix virtual alias going into test domain with own dovecot-imap. Thunderbird tries to insert 2 references, but no sure why.
It's not Thunderbird. It's an upstream MTA.
I found several mails in the archive with multiple References: headers. The mails come from only two sources and from different MUAs.
What they have in common is they all pass through an MTA running some version of "Scalix SMTP Relay", e.g.
Received: from assp.fryp.com (s15228253.onlinehome-server.info 87.106.30.14) by s15228253.onlinehome-server.info (Scalix SMTP Relay 10.0.1.3) via ESMTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:29:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from fox ([81.33.210.161] helo=fox) with IPv4:25 by assp.fryp.com; 23 Oct 2009 12:29:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:28:34 +0100 From: "Peter Borg" dovecot@peter-b.org To: "'Dovecot Mailing List'" dovecot@dovecot.org Message-ID: 04f601ca53d3$f5c936d0$e15ba470$@org In-Reply-To: 1256205786.28255.12.camel@gdh-work References: 1255964589.14420.39.camel@gdh-work References: 025f01ca5178$6aa4efc0$3feecf40$@org References: 4ADDD869.3080803@rename-it.nl References: 1256205786.28255.12.camel@gdh-work x-scalix-Hops: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
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Received: from [192.168.100.110] (pc-50-sk.ims.co.at [192.168.100.110]) by scalix.ims.co.at (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.1.0.10849) via ESMTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:31:00 +0200 From: Samuel Kvasnica bugreports@list.ims.co.at To: Timo Sirainen tss@iki.fi Message-ID: 4C5BD654.10208@list.ims.co.at In-Reply-To: F834AA0D-2EA7-4549-9E5A-F7E5D6BA867A@iki.fi References: 4C5A70F4.7040109@list.ims.co.at References: 4C5B1B87.8090705@list.ims.co.at References: F834AA0D-2EA7-4549-9E5A-F7E5D6BA867A@iki.fi x-scalix-Hops: 1 x-scalix-Authenticated-Sender: bugreports@list.ims.co.at at 192.168.100.110 Organization: IMS Nanofabrication AG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100727 Mandriva/3.1.1-0.1mdv2010.0 (2010.0) Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.1
-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Benny Pedersen wrote:
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds
more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
Whether or not this would break threading depends on the MUA or other software doing the threading. For example, Mailman's pipermail archiver prefers In-Reply-To: over References: for threading.
Multiple References: headers is a clear violation of RFCs 2822 and 5322 (RFC 822 is not clear on this point).
It would be helpful to those who may be using this broken Thunderbird and perhaps others to know which Thunderbird version(s) has/have this bug.
-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 8/8/2010 1:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Benny Pedersen wrote:
some senders on this maillist use a version of thunderbird that adds more then one references header and this imho breaks threading :(
Whether or not this would break threading depends on the MUA or other software doing the threading. For example, Mailman's pipermail archiver prefers In-Reply-To: over References: for threading.
Multiple References: headers is a clear violation of RFCs 2822 and 5322 (RFC 822 is not clear on this point).
It would be helpful to those who may be using this broken Thunderbird and perhaps others to know which Thunderbird version(s) has/have this bug.
I think Mark Sapiro has his postfix setup wrong, or w/e MTA he is using.
Am 08.08.2010 um 21:08 schrieb Jerrale G:
I think Mark Sapiro has his postfix setup wrong, or w/e MTA he is using.
Come on. What a ludicrous post by the person who hijacked Message-ID: 4C5C62FF.6020909@colostate.edu. And just for the record this not about MTAs but MUAs and the lifeforms abusing them.
participants (7)
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Benny Pedersen
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Charles Marcus
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Jerrale G
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Mark Sapiro
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Samuel Kvasnica
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Thomas Leuxner
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Timo Sirainen