[Dovecot] Dovecot 1.1.x or 1.2, which way to go for Kolab Server?
Hi Timo, Hi *,
was written the other day we started to use Dovecot 1.2 for our Kolab with Dovecot project, but it turned out that there are quite a bunch of issues with 1.2 (which is ok, as it hasn't even been announced as beta till now).
We have a customer who should get a first test installation of Kolab with Dovecot in the first week of September and for that we need the features mentioned in my other mails, especially the enhanced name spaces for shared folders. (%%h, listing of shared folders, an checkpassword like backend for userdb).
So the big decision to make is:
- stay with 1.1.x and port the needed shared namespace stuff back from 1.2 or
- build on 1.2 and resolve all issues caused by it
Timo, do you have any opinion/advice on this?
How far from being production ready is 1.2 in your view?
How hard would it be to get the shared folder/namespace stuff in 1.1.x?
(or for that matter: who much harder than to do it in 1.2?)
We are currently evaluating these questions, but I would highly appreciate your comments on this.
cheers sascha
Sascha Wilde OpenPGP key: 4BB86568 http://www.intevation.de/~wilde/ http://www.intevation.de/ Intevation GmbH, Neuer Graben 17, 49074 Osnabrück; AG Osnabrück, HR B 18998 Geschäftsführer: Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:08 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
was written the other day we started to use Dovecot 1.2 for our Kolab with Dovecot project, but it turned out that there are quite a bunch of issues with 1.2 (which is ok, as it hasn't even been announced as beta till now).
I'd like to hear these issues, since I'm not aware of any v1.2-specific bugs.
How far from being production ready is 1.2 in your view?
Depends on how fast people report bugs to me.. I've been using it for my mails without problems for weeks. And about 3 other people also reported in the last few days that they're running it for their small mail servers.
How hard would it be to get the shared folder/namespace stuff in 1.1.x? (or for that matter: who much harder than to do it in 1.2?)
It requires some mail-storage API changes. I'm not sure if those would be easy to backport to v1.1.
Hi Timo,
thanks for the reply,
Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> writes:
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:08 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
was written the other day we started to use Dovecot 1.2 for our Kolab with Dovecot project, but it turned out that there are quite a bunch of issues with 1.2 (which is ok, as it hasn't even been announced as beta till now).
I'd like to hear these issues, since I'm not aware of any v1.2-specific bugs.
There was the dict-server startup problem, which we reported and which should be fixed now (I still need to test your fix).
Then there are some (undocumented?) changes in the dict api (and the changed dict backend configuration).
And then there are some more dict relates problems/changes causing the metadata/annotations plugin to fail in certain situations -- Bernhard Herzog will report/discuss them in detail soon, in case we decide to use 1.2.
So the stuff we stumbled upon was all dict related till now, but on the other hand we haven't done much with 1.2 besides trying to get our changes to work with it...
How far from being production ready is 1.2 in your view?
Depends on how fast people report bugs to me.. I've been using it for my mails without problems for weeks. And about 3 other people also reported in the last few days that they're running it for their small mail servers.
This sounds promising.
How hard would it be to get the shared folder/namespace stuff in 1.1.x? (or for that matter: who much harder than to do it in 1.2?)
It requires some mail-storage API changes. I'm not sure if those would be easy to backport to v1.1.
Ok, I'll report the results of our own evaluation, soon.
cheers sascha
Sascha Wilde OpenPGP key: 4BB86568 http://www.intevation.de/~wilde/ http://www.intevation.de/ Intevation GmbH, Neuer Graben 17, 49074 Osnabrück; AG Osnabrück, HR B 18998 Geschäftsführer: Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:25 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
Hi Timo,
thanks for the reply,
Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> writes:
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:08 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
was written the other day we started to use Dovecot 1.2 for our Kolab with Dovecot project, but it turned out that there are quite a bunch of issues with 1.2 (which is ok, as it hasn't even been announced as beta till now).
I'd like to hear these issues, since I'm not aware of any v1.2-specific bugs.
There was the dict-server startup problem, which we reported and which should be fixed now (I still need to test your fix).
Then there are some (undocumented?) changes in the dict api (and the changed dict backend configuration).
And then there are some more dict relates problems/changes causing the metadata/annotations plugin to fail in certain situations -- Bernhard Herzog will report/discuss them in detail soon, in case we decide to use 1.2.
So the stuff we stumbled upon was all dict related till now, but on the other hand we haven't done much with 1.2 besides trying to get our changes to work with it...
OK. I think most of the issues you'll find in 1.2 are things like these. Either something works or it doesn't (mainly because I'm so lazy at testing changes myself), but there shouldn't be any stability-related problems. And these "doesn't work" bugs can be fixed quickly when they're reported.
Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> writes:
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:25 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
There was the dict-server startup problem, which we reported and which should be fixed now (I still need to test your fix).
Then there are some (undocumented?) changes in the dict api (and the changed dict backend configuration). [...] OK. I think most of the issues you'll find in 1.2 are things like these. Either something works or it doesn't (mainly because I'm so lazy at testing changes myself), but there shouldn't be any stability-related problems. And these "doesn't work" bugs can be fixed quickly when they're reported.
This sounds very promising and fits with our decision to recommend our customer to build upon 1.2.
cheers sascha
Sascha Wilde OpenPGP key: 4BB86568 http://www.intevation.de/~wilde/ http://www.intevation.de/ Intevation GmbH, Neuer Graben 17, 49074 Osnabrück; AG Osnabrück, HR B 18998 Geschäftsführer: Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:15:38 +0300 Timo Sirainen wrote:
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:08 +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
was written the other day we started to use Dovecot 1.2 for our Kolab with Dovecot project, but it turned out that there are quite a bunch of issues with 1.2 (which is ok, as it hasn't even been announced as beta till now).
I'd like to hear these issues, since I'm not aware of any v1.2-specific bugs.
How far from being production ready is 1.2 in your view?
Depends on how fast people report bugs to me.. I've been using it for my mails without problems for weeks. And about 3 other people also reported in the last few days that they're running it for their small mail servers.
Me too.
--Frank Elsner
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