"Outlook Mobile temporarily stores and indexes user data (including email, attachments, calendar information, and contacts), along with login credentials,[25] [1] in a "secure" form on Microsoft Azure [2] servers located in the United States.[26] [3] On Exchange accounts, these servers identify as a single Exchange ActiveSync [4] user in order to fetch e-mail. Additionally, the app does not support mobile device management [5], nor allows administrators to control how third-party cloud storage services are used with the app to interact with their users. Concerns surrounding these security issues have prompted some firms, including the European Parliament [6], to block the app on their Exchange servers"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Outlook_(mobile_app)

Stay away.

Scott

On Tuesday, 24/09/2024 at 03:31 Marc via dovecot wrote:

I don't think you can use outlook mobile clients any more with own solutions. I was trying this a few years ago and noticed all kinds of weird things not working. I think it even sends your user+password to the microsoft cloud and the ms cloud is handling your mail on the background. Can't really remember what all was wrong, but I was really surprised about it.

-----Original Message----- From: The Doctor via dovecot Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2024 01:28 To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Outllok on iPhone not copying sent mesages to a Sent Items folder

Anyone knows why Outlook on an iPhone will not move Sent Message to a Sent Items folder?

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On 2024-09-24 07:02, The Doctor via dovecot wrote:

The other option is Apple Mail, but it is not picking up that fact to use IMAP on 993 and STMP on 465 or 587.

It does.. but you have to use either the Apple 'database' or use the Apple methods of auto discovery.. <sic> Sorry, so brief..

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On Sep 24, 2024, at 17:38, Ralph Seichter via dovecot <dovecot@dovecot.org> wrote:

• The Doctor via dovecot:

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The other option is Apple Mail, but it is not picking up that fact to use IMAP on 993 and STMP on 465 or 587.

Like many of Apple's applications and services, Apple Mail can be configured down to small details by using config profiles, which are XML-based property lists.

Or you can just flip the switches for “use SSL” in the SMTP setting, and the “use SSL” switch under advanced. For both SMTP and IMAP, you can also set the port. The only caveat I have is you might have to do it after you set up the account. I set mine up back in something like 2008, so I dunno. I just keep upgrading the os and phone.

At least in iOS 17.7.

Sean

On Sep 24, 2024, at 23:49, Ralph Seichter via dovecot <dovecot@dovecot.org> wrote: Config profiles ("mobileconfig") are certainly more useful for organisations supporting numerous users, who either don't want to indulge in manual configuration, or who are not even permitted to change MUA-related setting.

Sure, you can do mobileconfigs (if you can figure out which config editor to use this week — Apple has changed the authoring tool several times).

But, hay, why stop there? You can also go full MDM on your user's devices.

We all make assumptions about the situation people are in. Perhaps I, with a sum total of 4 “users”, have different requirements than, say, you, with 1000’s of users and wanting to provide a turnkey solution for people to configure their email for your service. Or maybe you work at a Really Large Corporation that control’s many multiple thousands of user’s devices, and do actually want to use MDM software (which, yeah, would push multiple MobileConfigs for email, certs, etc).

The original statement was:

The other option is Apple Mail, but it is not picking up that fact to use IMAP on 993 and STMP on 465 or 587.

Granted, the “picking up” part there hints are the initial configuration, which could be done with SRV records or MobileConfigs, or the old fashioned way, with instructions on how to configure you system.

My comments assumed that someone wanted a simple way to manually configure Apple Mail to use specific ports. Your comments assume that someone wanted to provide one-touch provisioning for customers.

Fair enough.

Sean

PS The last time I added an account to an iOS device, it used port 993 for imap and both 465 and 587 (it tried those, as well as 25, for sending email).