Religious wars about which is "best" aside - some mail clients seem to default to using "Sent Items" folder for saving sent mail, and others (many) default to "Sent".
Seems that in the interests of compatibility and "doing the right thing" (tm) that a symlink from one folder to the other name would ensure that either default would give the same result (in a mixed client setup)?
However, I wonder if someone has already written a plugin to do something simple like this? More generally I guess it's folder aliasing, so that Sent == Sent Items and perhaps there are also synonyms for Drafts/Templates?
Anyone got any thoughts on this simple idea? (The prob with sym links is a) creating them at mailbox setup time and b) what happens when someone tries to delete the folder...)
Cheers
Ed W
Ed W wrote:
Religious wars about which is "best" aside - some mail clients seem to default to using "Sent Items" folder for saving sent mail, and others (many) default to "Sent".
Seems that in the interests of compatibility and "doing the right thing" (tm) that a symlink from one folder to the other name would ensure that either default would give the same result (in a mixed client setup)?
However, I wonder if someone has already written a plugin to do something simple like this? More generally I guess it's folder aliasing, so that Sent == Sent Items and perhaps there are also synonyms for Drafts/Templates?
Anyone got any thoughts on this simple idea? (The prob with sym links is a) creating them at mailbox setup time and b) what happens when someone tries to delete the folder...)
Cheers
Ed W
I agree it would be nice if the IMAP server could have an option to map a variety of folder names to a particular 'real' folder name. Not just Sent. I have also seen:
Trash vs Deleted Items
At 2:35 PM +0000 11/5/07, Daniel Watts wrote:
Ed W wrote:
Religious wars about which is "best" aside - some mail clients seem to default to using "Sent Items" folder for saving sent mail, and others (many) default to "Sent".
Seems that in the interests of compatibility and "doing the right thing" (tm) that a symlink from one folder to the other name would ensure that either default would give the same result (in a mixed client setup)?
However, I wonder if someone has already written a plugin to do something simple like this? More generally I guess it's folder aliasing, so that Sent == Sent Items and perhaps there are also synonyms for Drafts/Templates?
Anyone got any thoughts on this simple idea? (The prob with sym links is a) creating them at mailbox setup time and b) what happens when someone tries to delete the folder...)
Cheers
Ed W
I agree it would be nice if the IMAP server could have an option to map a variety of folder names to a particular 'real' folder name. Not just Sent. I have also seen:
Trash vs Deleted Items
While we're making a list: 'Junk' vs. 'Junk E-mail' is a particular problematic case of client disagreement because some clients (e.g. Eudora, Outlook) work in ways that are Very Bad when they disagree on the final destination of probable spam.
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Bill Cole
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On Monday November 05, 2007 at 09:37:12 (AM) Bill Cole wrote:
While we're making a list: 'Junk' vs. 'Junk E-mail' is a particular problematic case of client disagreement because some clients (e.g. Eudora, Outlook) work in ways that are Very Bad when they disagree on the final destination of probable spam.
Correct me if I am wrong; however, there is no RFC specifically detailing the naming of folders. If there is no specification in place, the author of a software application is pretty much free to do as they please. The interesting fact is that while you claim that clients like 'Eudora & Outlook' are bad, the users of said clients might very well consider your choice of MUA to be inferior.
Just my 2¢.
-- Gerard
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Gerard Seibert wrote:
On Monday November 05, 2007 at 09:37:12 (AM) Bill Cole wrote:
hile we're making a list: 'Junk' vs. 'Junk E-mail' is a particular problematic case of client disagreement because some clients (e.g. Eudora, Outlook) work in ways that are Very Bad when they disagree on the final destination of probable spam.
Correct me if I am wrong; however, there is no RFC specifically detailing the naming of folders. Right.... If there is no specification in place, the author of a software application is pretty much free to do as they please. No, not relay - if there is no specification, things _must_ be configurable. Or don't call your software "IMAP client". Call it "Cyrus", "MS Exchange" or "Lotus Domino" client..., if it ads restrictions where thy don't apply.
The interesting fact is that while you claim that clients like 'Eudora & Outlook' are bad, the users of said clients might very well consider your choice of MUA to be inferior.
Outlook Express have at less options to configure "Sent items" and "Drafts" alias. In Outlook you can specify only root namespace prefix.
Just my 2¢.
Anyway "alias" option would be good workaround for "limited pseudo IMAP"clients.
Uldis.
At 12:01 PM -0500 11/5/07, Gerard Seibert wrote:
On Monday November 05, 2007 at 09:37:12 (AM) Bill Cole wrote:
While we're making a list: 'Junk' vs. 'Junk E-mail' is a particular problematic case of client disagreement because some clients (e.g. Eudora, Outlook) work in ways that are Very Bad when they disagree on the final destination of probable spam.
Correct me if I am wrong; however, there is no RFC specifically detailing the naming of folders. If there is no specification in place, the author of a software application is pretty much free to do as they please. The interesting fact is that while you claim that clients like 'Eudora & Outlook' are bad,
I think you misunderstood me, which is understandable given how I phrased it...
the users of said clients might very well consider your choice of MUA to be inferior.
The problem is not what Eudora does with 'Junk' or what Outlook does with 'Junk E-mail', but what the two of them end up doing to each other's junk when they are both looking at an IMAP account that has both folders.
Guess how I'm familiar with this? :)
-- Bill Cole bill@scconsult.com
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Bill Cole wrote:
The problem is not what Eudora does with 'Junk' or what Outlook does with 'Junk E-mail', but what the two of them end up doing to each other's junk when they are both looking at an IMAP account that has both folders.
I do have the same problem. I also want to globally set up some scripts and default filtering of SPAM (in particular). However, it is not as easy as to have two or more names for one physical folder:
a) You want to show up just one of them - depending on the connecting MUA.
b) There are MUAs using localized mailbox names. This is as much crap as the localized directories in Windows or the localized "Re:".
I dropped the idea of having two names for a pseudo-standard mail folder, instead each users must enter the particular mailbox names via Webinterface to let the scripts kick in.
Bye,
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