[Dovecot] WiKi V2
Hi,
small question: Will the WiKi of the version 2 be updated shortly? Many things are not right at all. This would be really very nice. Many thanks in advance.
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Jim Knuth wrote:
small question: Will the WiKi of the version 2 be updated shortly? Many things are not right at all. This would be really very nice. Many thanks in advance.
It's a Wiki... feel free to correct :-)
wiki: A collaborative website which can be directly edited using only a web browser, often by anyone with access to it.
On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:35 PM, nick+dovecot@bunbun.be wrote:
Jim Knuth wrote:
small question: Will the WiKi of the version 2 be updated shortly? Many things are not right at all. This would be really very nice. Many thanks in advance.
It's a Wiki... feel free to correct :-)
wiki: A collaborative website which can be directly edited using only a web browser, often by anyone with access to it.
Just because someone *can* edit it doesn't mean they have the relevant subject matter knowledge necessary to do a proper job of it. Just because someone can competently follow instructions enough to tell that they are wrong doesn't mean that they know what is right. They may just be stuck.
Unfortunately putting documentation in a wiki usually just has the effect of making nobody feel like they really own it. Then helpful, respectful folks such as yourself say to anyone who wants documentation, "LEARN THE CODE AND DOCUMENT IT YOURSELF! It's a WIKI!"
Ignoring that of course the whole point of documentation is that it (hopefully) enables people to use software without having to read the source first...
-Brian
Brian Hayden wrote:
On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:35 PM, nick+dovecot@bunbun.be wrote:
Jim Knuth wrote:
small question: Will the WiKi of the version 2 be updated shortly? Many things are not right at all. This would be really very nice. Many thanks in advance. It's a Wiki... feel free to correct :-)
wiki: A collaborative website which can be directly edited using only a web browser, often by anyone with access to it.
Just because someone *can* edit it doesn't mean they have the relevant subject matter knowledge necessary to do a proper job of it. Just because someone can competently follow instructions enough to tell that they are wrong doesn't mean that they know what is right. They may just be stuck. Unfortunatly this Wiki doesn't support discussion; that's how I've worked on other Wiki's. The OP said "Many things are not right at all". How do you expect a Wiki to get corrected. Just screaming at it: "You contain errors" will not automagicly fix them :-D Unfortunately putting documentation in a wiki usually just has the effect of making nobody feel like they really own it. Then helpful, respectful folks such as yourself say to anyone who wants documentation, "LEARN THE CODE AND DOCUMENT IT YOURSELF! It's a WIKI!" Who said anything about learning the code; I remember a recent post discussing errors in the general overview. Ignoring that of course the whole point of documentation is that it (hopefully) enables people to use software without having to read the source first... So how will incorrect documentation help people? Again, if there is a mistake in the documentation either fix it or point to it to have it fixed.
On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Nick Rosier wrote:
So how will incorrect documentation help people? Again, if there is a mistake in the documentation either fix it or point to it to have it fixed.
See, you didn't say "... or point to it to have it fixed" before. You just told him to do it himself. Totally different.
I agree that pointing out specific errors is more helpful than a general request, though it's not always a realistic expectation.
-Brian
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Jim Knuth wrote:
small question: Will the WiKi of the version 2 be updated shortly? Many things are not right at all. This would be really very nice. Many thanks in advance. It's a Wiki... feel free to correct :-)
You don't want Jim to correct the Wiki. Not because he's braindead - I know him personally and I value him a lot - but because of his English. Take a look at the threads he's been in recently on this list. ;)
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am 30.03.11 22:44 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter p@state-of-mind.de:
You don't want Jim to correct the Wiki. Not because he's braindead - I know him personally and I value him a lot - but because of his English. Take a look at the threads he's been in recently on this list
good point, Patrick. Thanks. ;)
Yes, its right, my English is very badly. And yes I
m not braindead,
not yet really .. *bg* Therefore, I also sometimes need very much
long, to understand a HowTo and puts many silly questions.
Sorry @all :)
-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Jim Knuth
P.S.: Bitte senden Sie KEINE HTML-Mails! Zufallszitat: Ein leidenschaftlicher Raucher, der immer von der Gefahr des Rauchens für die Gesundheit liest, hört in den meisten Fällen auf - zu lesen. [Churchill]
am 30.03.11 23:05 schrieb Jim Knuth jk@jkart.de:
am 30.03.11 22:44 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter p@state-of-mind.de:
You don't want Jim to correct the Wiki. Not because he's braindead - I know him personally and I value him a lot - but because of his English. Take a look at the threads he's been in recently on this list
good point, Patrick. Thanks. ;) Yes, it
s right, my English is very badly. And yes I
m not braindead, not yet really .. *bg* Therefore, I also sometimes need very much long, to understand a HowTo and puts many silly questions. Sorry @all :)
me again, sorry.
And if then the Wiki is partly wrong, one has no chance. I try since just different Quota for different users with backend maildir. And? It does not want to function. :-/ Therefore, my question after the update of the WiKi.
-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Jim Knuth
P.S.: Bitte senden Sie KEINE HTML-Mails! Zufallszitat: Ein leidenschaftlicher Raucher, der immer von der Gefahr des Rauchens für die Gesundheit liest, hört in den meisten Fällen auf - zu lesen. [Churchill]
Hello Jim,
Jim Knuth, 30.03.2011 (d.m.y):
And if then the Wiki is partly wrong, one has no chance. I try since just different Quota for different users with backend maildir. And? It does not want to function. :-/
Well - you could just mention which parts/chapters/whatever of the wiki you suspect to contain errors...
Gruss/Regards, Christian Schmidt
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On 31.3.2011, at 0.26, Jim Knuth wrote:
And if then the Wiki is partly wrong, one has no chance. I try since just different Quota for different users with backend maildir. And? It does not want to function. :-/ Therefore, my question after the update of the WiKi.
I'm not aware of any problems with the wiki2 (except for the Q/A page and the Feat* pages, but they're obsolete for wiki1 too). The quota pages should be correct. Maybe you're misunderstanding something in them.
on 3/30/2011 2:05 PM Jim Knuth spake the following:
am 30.03.11 22:44 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter p@state-of-mind.de:
You don't want Jim to correct the Wiki. Not because he's braindead - I know him personally and I value him a lot - but because of his English. Take a look at the threads he's been in recently on this list
good point, Patrick. Thanks. ;) Yes, it
s right, my English is very badly. And yes I
m not braindead, not yet really .. *bg* Therefore, I also sometimes need very much long, to understand a HowTo and puts many silly questions. Sorry @all :)
You're English is far better than my German will ever be!!!
am 31.03.11 00:30 schrieb Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com:
on 3/30/2011 2:05 PM Jim Knuth spake the following:
am 30.03.11 22:44 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetterp@state-of-mind.de:
You don't want Jim to correct the Wiki. Not because he's braindead - I know him personally and I value him a lot - but because of his English. Take a look at the threads he's been in recently on this list
good point, Patrick. Thanks. ;) Yes, it
s right, my English is very badly. And yes I
m not braindead, not yet really .. *bg* Therefore, I also sometimes need very much long, to understand a HowTo and puts many silly questions. Sorry @all :)You're English is far better than my German will ever be!!!
good to known .. ;)
-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Jim Knuth
P.S.: Bitte senden Sie KEINE HTML-Mails!
Zufallszitat: If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. [Churchill]
participants (8)
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Brian Hayden
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Christian Schmidt
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Jim Knuth
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Nick Rosier
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nick+dovecot@bunbun.be
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Patrick Ben Koetter
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Scott Silva
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Timo Sirainen