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Using dovecot with RoundCubeMail - where is the information for new mail in (blue coloured) directories?

Philip Rhoades

17 Dec 2020 17 Dec '20

11:14 p.m.

People,

Every few years I try to work this problem out - occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM. Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on (and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself?

Thanks,

Phil.

Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

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Benny Pedersen

18 Dec 18 Dec

12:28 a.m.

Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14:

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Every few years I try to work this problem out

User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1

please upgrade first

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occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM.

please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol, if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

...

Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself

if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

...

but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on

dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

...

(and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself?

Philip Rhoades

2:12 a.m.

Benny,

On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote:

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Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14:

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Every few years I try to work this problem out

User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1

please upgrade first

It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . .

...

...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM.

please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol,

Then how do I do what I want with IMAP?

...

if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

That comment doesn't make sense . .

...

...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself

if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

Quite frequently not true . .

...

...
but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on

dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

You already said that - what is your solution then?

...

...
(and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself?

no

OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway.

P.

Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

David Morsberger

3:08 p.m.

Phil,

Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?

Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as flags in the email filename on disk.

It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples' https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir

And in 'What can I put in info?' https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

Benny,

On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote:

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Every few years I try to work this problem out User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1

Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14: please upgrade first

It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . .

...
...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM. please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol,

Then how do I do what I want with IMAP?

...
if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

That comment doesn't make sense . .

...
...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

Quite frequently not true . .

...
...
but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

You already said that - what is your solution then?

...
...
(and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself? no

OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway.

P.

Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

Philip Rhoades

19 Dec 19 Dec

7:19 a.m.

David,

On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

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Phil,

Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?

No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.

I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.

...

Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as flags in the email filename on disk.

It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples' https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir

And in 'What can I put in info?' https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

Benny,

On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote: Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14: Every few years I try to work this problem out User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1 please upgrade first

It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . .

...
...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM. please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol,

Then how do I do what I want with IMAP?

...
if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

That comment doesn't make sense . .

...
...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

Quite frequently not true . .

...
...
but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

You already said that - what is your solution then?

...
...
(and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself? no

OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway.

P.

Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

-- Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

＠lbutlr

2:07 p.m.

On 18 Dec 2020, at 22:19, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

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I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.

Might be a question more for the Roundcube list, but I think the blue depends on messages being in the new/ sub directory of the maildir?

-- Margo: It’s fucking Fox News. Male centurion: Foxes all lie. No one would ever believe their news.

David Morsberger

4:53 p.m.

Phil,

I looked around and this is deep in the Roundcube service side code. It is detecting a new message in a folder since the last time you viewed the contents of the folder.

I see has the folder list items are changed through css and how the server side code is receiving the request to check for recent. It get complicated after that. I cannot determine if it is keep state in roundcube or making a call to the IMAP provider. I am leaning to roundcube state.

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On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

David,

On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

...
Phil, Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?

No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.

I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.

...
Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as flags in the email filename on disk. It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples' https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir And in 'What can I put in info?' https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

...
...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM.

On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote: Benny, On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote: Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14: Every few years I try to work this problem out User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1 please upgrade first It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . . please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol, Then how do I do what I want with IMAP? if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts That comment doesn't make sense . .

...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported Quite frequently not true . . but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on dont mangle files outside of imap protocol You already said that - what is your solution then? (and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself? no OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway. P.

Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

-- Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au mailto:phil@pricom.com.au

Peter

20 Dec 20 Dec

10:33 a.m.

Am 19.12.20 um 15:53 schrieb David Morsberger:

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Phil,

I looked around and this is deep in the Roundcube service side code. It is detecting a new message in a folder since the last time you viewed the contents of the folder.

I see has the folder list items are changed through css and how the server side code is receiving the request to check for recent. It get complicated after that. I cannot determine if it is keep state in roundcube or making a call to the IMAP provider. I am leaning to roundcube state.

The server would be hard pressed: Several users may idle in the same mailbox. If a message is new, then for whom exactly?

Thunderbird has a css selector to match "newMessages" too: It can be used from userChrome.css to highlight folders, where there are messages, that have not been there, when the folder was last opened. It wont ever match the folder that is currently opened. This propertry is pure client side state by definition.

Peter

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On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Philip Rhoades mailto:phil@pricom.com.au> wrote:

David,

On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

...
Phil, Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?

No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.

I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.

...
Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as flags in the email filename on disk. It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples' https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir And in 'What can I put in info?' https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

...
...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM.

On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote: Benny, On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote: Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14: Every few years I try to work this problem out User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1 please upgrade first It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . . please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol, Then how do I do what I want with IMAP? if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts That comment doesn't make sense . .

...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported Quite frequently not true . . but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on dont mangle files outside of imap protocol You already said that - what is your solution then? (and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself? no OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway. P.

Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

-- Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au mailto:phil@pricom.com.au

Philip Rhoades

1:05 p.m.

Peter,

On 2020-12-20 19:33, Peter wrote:

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Am 19.12.20 um 15:53 schrieb David Morsberger:

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Phil,

I looked around and this is deep in the Roundcube service side code. It is detecting a new message in a folder since the last time you viewed the contents of the folder.

I see has the folder list items are changed through css and how the server side code is receiving the request to check for recent. It get complicated after that. I cannot determine if it is keep state in roundcube or making a call to the IMAP provider. I am leaning to roundcube state.

The server would be hard pressed: Several users may idle in the same mailbox. If a message is new, then for whom exactly?

Thunderbird has a css selector to match "newMessages" too: It can be used from userChrome.css to highlight folders, where there are messages, that have not been there, when the folder was last opened.

It is not even "last opened" - the blue highlighting disappears with time (not sure how long) - even if the folder is not touched - and it certainly disappears if RCM is closed and opened again . .

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It wont ever match the folder that is currently opened.

Not sure what you mean by that?

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This propertry is pure client side state by definition.

I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what does that mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder highlight arbitrarily?

Thanks,

Phil.

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On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Philip Rhoades mailto:phil@pricom.com.au> wrote:

David,

On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

...
Phil, Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?

No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.

I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.

...
Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as flags in the email filename on disk. It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples' https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir And in 'What can I put in info?' https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

...
...

occasionally I would like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up as blue-coloured in RCM.

On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote: Benny, On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote: Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14: Every few years I try to work this problem out User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1 please upgrade first It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . . please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol, Then how do I do what I want with IMAP? if you use roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts That comment doesn't make sense . .

...
Every time I Google in vain and then have a go at working it out myself if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported Quite frequently not true . . but the only thing I can see is that there is a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after having the blue dir clicked on dont mangle files outside of imap protocol You already said that - what is your solution then? (and the colour of the dir name changes back to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself? no OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway. P.

Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

-- Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au mailto:phil@pricom.com.au

-- Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

＠lbutlr

3:43 p.m.

On 20 Dec 2020, at 04:05, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

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I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what does that mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder highlight arbitrarily?

Sound like the Roundcube style choices are outside th purview of dovecot.

-- You know, Rick, I have many a friend in Casablanca, but somehow, just because you despise me, you are the only one I trust.

Philip Rhoades

21 Dec 21 Dec

2:37 a.m.

@lbutlr,

On 2020-12-21 00:43, @lbutlr wrote:

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On 20 Dec 2020, at 04:05, Philip Rhoades phil@pricom.com.au wrote:

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I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what does that mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder highlight arbitrarily?

Sound like the Roundcube style choices are outside th purview of dovecot.

Hmm . . the first response I got here was that it was definitely an IMAP thing . . I think he was unclear about the actual problem . .

I will try the RCM forum . .

Thanks,

P.

Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil@pricom.com.au

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