[Dovecot] Building Dovecot RHEL RPMs with custom LDAP packages
Hi,
We are (still) mainly using CentOS 5 (5.8 x86_64). As CentOS / RHEL 5 standard OpenLDAP packages are rather old (2.3.x), we've been using LTB OpenLDAP packages (http://ltb-project.org/wiki/download#openldap), which get installed in non-standard file system locations.
So, I would like to re-build Dovecot packages based on these OpenLDAP libraries, esp. because I see that dovecot RPM packages are built using OpenLDAP v2.3 libraries.
I am not much experienced in building RPMs and preparing spec files.
In http://dl.atrpms.net/all/dovecot.spec I see:
BuildRequires: openldap-devel, cyrus-sasl-devel
...
Obsoletes: %{name}-pgsql < %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-mysql < %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-sqlite < %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-ldap < %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, $ Conflicts: %{name}-pgsql > %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-mysql
%{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-sqlite > %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, %{name}-ldap > %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}, $
So, I can change the former reference (openldap-devel) to:
openldap-ltb-debuginfo, cyrus-sasl-develQuestion 1: What other changes should we make in order to specify that we will be using LDAP libraries from: /usr/local/openldap/lib64 and include files from: /usr/local/openldap/include (rather than from /usr/lib64 and /usr/include, respectively, which are the standard file paths used in openldap-devel)
Question 2: How the Obsoletes and Conflicts lines should be changed?
Question 3: It seems to me (by reading the spec file) that the final Dovecot RPM (and the included executables) does not need any LDAP dynamic library in order to run with LDAP support (because I don't see any dependencies on openldap package). Can somebody please confirm?
Any other associated info would be appreciated.
Thanks, Nick
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 01:20:22PM +0200, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
We are (still) mainly using CentOS 5 (5.8 x86_64). As CentOS / RHEL 5 standard OpenLDAP packages are rather old (2.3.x), we've been using LTB OpenLDAP packages (http://ltb-project.org/wiki/download#openldap), which get installed in non-standard file system locations.
ISTM that herein lies the whole problem. Why did you not rpmbuild your OpenLDAP? That would have avoided all further fuss.
Another observation I can offer, unwelcome as it may be: your OS choice was not a good one when you want the features of recent software. Perhaps you should rethink that choice. You have invested much effort in this task.
So, I would like to re-build Dovecot packages based on these OpenLDAP libraries, esp. because I see that dovecot RPM packages are built using OpenLDAP v2.3 libraries.
I am not much experienced in building RPMs and preparing spec files.
And that is really more a question for a CentOS forum than here.
In http://dl.atrpms.net/all/dovecot.spec I see:
BuildRequires: openldap-devel, cyrus-sasl-devel
The latter requirement seems curious to me. In what way does Dovecot use Cyrus SASL?
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On 19/3/2012 2:32 μμ, /dev/rob0 wrote:
ISTM that herein lies the whole problem. Why did you not rpmbuild your OpenLDAP? That would have avoided all further fuss.
Thanks for the reply.
First, how would I rpmbuild my openldap v2.4.x as a standard CentOS 5 package (i.e. replacing native openldap-2.3.43-25)? If I were more experienced, I could have tried to engineer openldap-2.3.43-25.el5.src.rpm to upgrade the system to use 2.4.x... But still, I haven't seen any OpenLDAP packages attempting to do so, probably because of the tight integration of CentOS with some openldap v2.3 libraries.
I think it's good that third-party packages (even of the same software) give the ability to not mess with standard system. The same is true for reputable Symas OpenLDAP packages.
So, I simply use LTB OpenLDAP, even though it's installed at non-standard locations.
(This has an added benefit of easy migration. You can setup any/all of those on the same system and decide which one to enable at any time.)
Another observation I can offer, unwelcome as it may be: your OS choice was not a good one when you want the features of recent software. Perhaps you should rethink that choice. You have invested much effort in this task.
I like CentOS from many aspects as an enterprise server OS. I wouldn't change it.
Yet, it's important to me to be able to build/combine non-standard packages. Even with CentOS 6, I would still continue to use LTB OpenLDAP for a number of reasons.
It's true that I've invested much effort in this task, but mostly because my knowledge on this subject is very basic.
Note that Dovecot RPM works fine as is (compiled with OpenLDAP 2.3), i.e. there is no real need in re-building it using OpenLDAP 2.4 libs. We just try to make things better (and make our life a bit more difficult) :-)
And that is really more a question for a CentOS forum than here.
True, but I am hoping that there might be some Dovecot RHEL/CentOS packagers in this list, and that would help resolve issues more effectively, as it is a Dovecot-specific (even if for a package thereof) question.
So, any help will be appreciated!
The latter requirement seems curious to me. In what way does Dovecot use Cyrus SASL?
Hmm, I can't tell. I hope atrpm packager(s), if present on this list, can provide some feedback.
Thanks again, Nick
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 03:47:24PM +0200, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
On 19/3/2012 2:32 μμ, /dev/rob0 wrote:
ISTM that herein lies the whole problem. Why did you not rpmbuild your OpenLDAP? That would have avoided all further fuss.
Thanks for the reply.
First, how would I rpmbuild my openldap v2.4.x as a standard CentOS 5 package (i.e. replacing native openldap-2.3.43-25)? If I were more experienced, I could have tried to engineer openldap-2.3.43-25.el5.src.rpm to upgrade the system to use
That's what I would have tried.
2.4.x... But still, I haven't seen any OpenLDAP packages attempting to do so, probably because of the tight integration of CentOS with some openldap v2.3 libraries.
I don't have anything to tell you there, and I note that we are now fully off-topic. :)
I think it's good that third-party packages (even of the same software) give the ability to not mess with standard system. The same is true for reputable Symas OpenLDAP packages.
So, I simply use LTB OpenLDAP, even though it's installed at non-standard locations.
Failing the SRPM translation, why not just install into the CentOS standard locations? ... oops, I typed too fast ...
(This has an added benefit of easy migration. You can setup any/all of those on the same system and decide which one to enable at any time.)
So you are in fact using both the CentOS OpenLDAP and your own version? This does not sound good at all. :(
Another observation I can offer, unwelcome as it may be: your OS choice was not a good one when you want the features of recent software. Perhaps you should rethink that choice. You have invested much effort in this task.
I like CentOS from many aspects as an enterprise server OS. I wouldn't change it.
I don't doubt that CentOS/RHEL offers many benefits, but my point here is that in this endeavor you are seeing the drawbacks.
Yet, it's important to me to be able to build/combine non-standard packages. Even with CentOS 6, I would still continue to use LTB OpenLDAP for a number of reasons.
It's true that I've invested much effort in this task, but mostly because my knowledge on this subject is very basic.
And there too, the better forum, with more of the skills you need, would be the CentOS one. :)
Note that Dovecot RPM works fine as is (compiled with OpenLDAP 2.3), i.e. there is no real need in re-building it using OpenLDAP 2.4 libs. We just try to make things better (and make our life a bit more difficult) :-)
And that is really more a question for a CentOS forum than here.
True, but I am hoping that there might be some Dovecot RHEL/CentOS packagers in this list, and that would help resolve issues more effectively, as it is a Dovecot-specific (even if for a package thereof) question.
So, any help will be appreciated!
The latter requirement seems curious to me. In what way does Dovecot use Cyrus SASL?
Hmm, I can't tell. I hope atrpm packager(s), if present on this list, can provide some feedback.
I was thinking maybe Timo would know. As far as I can tell it doesn't. I do see in configure.in's check for LDAP, a search for sasl.h or sasl/sasl.h, so it appears that Cyrus SASL might be required to build Dovecot's LDAP support.
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On 19/3/2012 5:28 μμ, /dev/rob0 wrote:
So you are in fact using both the CentOS OpenLDAP and your own version? This does not sound good at all. :(
I talked about migration, didn't I? (Helps in test environments too!)
And there too, the better forum, with more of the skills you need, would be the CentOS one. :)
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And that is really more a question for a CentOS forum than here.
I guess I might have to subscribe to CentOS forum/mailing list... (I haven't needed to yet.)
Thanks anyway, Nick
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