Hello Stephan,

Thanks for the answer. I also thought it should work this way. Thank you for the suggestion using rawlog, hopefully I can find out why it does not work (yet). Complicating factor is that I run 2 versions of SmartSieve on two different machines, the old one for everyday use, and the new one for testing inside my lan. Always a bit tricky these do not interfere. For testing managesieve(-login) I also used the Thunderbird sieve plugin. This is working ok for the new setup, I can actually log in and send and save sieve settings on the server (a lot of s's...:-) ). So Dovecot is working ok, it's the client side causing the problem.

Regards,

Wouter

On 10/07/2013 08:54 AM, Stephan Bosch wrote:

On 10/7/2013 1:01 AM, Wouter Berkepeis wrote:

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Everything OK I guess. Especially the first part of the output is interesting: "IMPLEMENTATION" "Dovecot Pigeonhole" This is what Smartsieve is looking at. With the former version the string was 'dovecot', so I changed this in the 'Managesieve.php' file. This file was already patched as stated on the site. Furthermore I changed everything referring to port 2000 to port 4190. That should work. I used the patch mentioned here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/dovecot@dovecot.org/msg21862.html

And modified it for the new situation. I'm assuming this is very similar to what you're doing and here it works.

You could try to obtain more information by logging the protocol exchange:

http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Debugging/Rawlog

Alternatively you can debug Smartsieve by adding more logging into the source code.

And yes, SmartSieve is unmaintained, so I would not recommend using it anymore.

Regards,

Stephan.

Thanks for the reply. I already tried all possible options in server.php : from 993/imap/ssl/novalidate-certs to 143/imap/notls with setting use_starttls to false. It seems that smartsieve/managesieve-login is always trying to setup a secure connection. Looking at my log files TLS handshaking is always been done. I don't know what is causing this behaviour.

On 10/07/2013 12:06 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote:

Wouter Berkepeis skrev den 2013-10-07 01:01:

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dovecot-info.log: 2013-10-06 21:16:20 managesieve-login: Info: Disconnected (no auth attempts in 0 secs): user=<>, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, TLS handshaking: SSL_accept() failed: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure: SSL alert number 40, session= syslog:

setup smartsieve to disable tls, then it works

edit in servers.php

Thanks for the tip. I had to disable ssl completely to finally login to SmartSieve. But then I saw that the interface is 'crippled', it's missing some parts. I don't know what is causing that, but I've had it with SmartSieve for now. Which is a pity because it's the only stand-alone (web)gui, as far as I know.

Looking for alternatives I already came across Ingo. But this is part of the Horde suite and Horde is not part of Debian Wheezy. And I don't like that I have to use a whole suite just for managing my sieve filter settings. Another alternative maybe could be the Avelsieve plugin for Squirrelmail. But with LDAP authentication I am using I also have to install the LDAP backend plugin. It's becoming a bit too tricky for me, and again, I have to use another program just to manage sieve. So, I guess, maybe it's time to pick up my rusty programming skills and create a gui myself....

Regards,

Wouter

On 10/07/2013 07:26 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote:

Wouter Berkepeis skrev den 2013-10-07 18:04:

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Thanks for the reply. I already tried all possible options in server.php : from 993/imap/ssl/novalidate-certs to 143/imap/notls with setting use_starttls to false. It seems that smartsieve/managesieve-login is always trying to setup a secure connection. Looking at my log files TLS handshaking is always been done. I don't know what is causing this behaviour.

well then change to http://www.horde.org/apps/ingo with is still maintained

i have lost how to solve it in smartsieve, if you only want to have webui with smartsieve it possible to disable tls for the dovecot part on port 2000 / 4190, this is fine for connection as long is just loopback interface, its still possible to have smartsieve on a https webpage

Hello Benny,

Thanks for your response. Ingo looks promising to me as a sufficient solution, but on the Ingo site one of the stated prerequisites is :

(start quote)

To function properly, Ingo *requires* the following:

A working Horde installation

Ingo runs within the Horde Application Framework http://www.horde.org/apps/horde, a set of common tools for web applications written in PHP. You must install Horde before installing Ingo.

(end quote)

So, if I can install Ingo without Horde as you say, I would be more then happy.

Btw, my remark about the LDAP authentication with Squirrelmail being too tricky to implement maybe wasn't described right. What I meant was it's not worth the efforts installing all this, just to be able to manage sieve filters from inside another program. I have installed Squirrelmail for just being able to look now and then at my e-mail at public places, I don't use it frequently.

Anyway, thanks for your little help. :-)

Regards, Wouter

On 10/08/2013 07:24 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote:

Wouter Berkepeis skrev den 2013-10-07 20:37:

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Thanks for the tip. I had to disable ssl completely to finally login to SmartSieve. But then I saw that the interface is 'crippled', it's missing some parts. I don't know what is causing that, but I've had it with SmartSieve for now. Which is a pity because it's the only stand-alone (web)gui, as far as I know.

ingo does not need full horde install, wake up :)

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Looking for alternatives I already came across Ingo. But this is part of the Horde suite and Horde is not part of Debian Wheezy.

make a virtualbox with gentoo then where its supported :)

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And I don't like that I have to use a whole suite just for managing my sieve filter settings.

who sayed that ?

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Another alternative maybe could be the Avelsieve plugin for Squirrelmail.

or roundcube ?

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But with LDAP authentication I am using I also have to install the LDAP backend plugin.

nope, if you use webmail its done

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It's becoming a bit too tricky for me,

come on, you manage debian ?

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and again, I have to use another program just to manage sieve.

upto you, i just show you little help in solve it

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So, I guess, maybe it's time to pick up my rusty programming skills and create a gui myself....

its opensource

Hello Simon,

Thank you for your explanation about Horde and Ingo. I will certainly try to install it and see if it satisfies my needs. And as you said, installation is done by pear, so a Debian package is not needed. I only wondered why the Horde software is not included anymore in Wheezy, as it was in Squeeze. Not that it probably would be of much worth, I have another machine running Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS and the version in the repo is a bit outdated (3.3).

Regards, Wouter

On 10/08/2013 08:13 AM, Simon B wrote:

On 8 Oct 2013 07:50, "Wouter Berkepeis"

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Hello Benny,

Thanks for your response. Ingo looks promising to me as a sufficient solution, but on the Ingo site one of the stated prerequisites is :

(start quote)

To function properly, Ingo *requires* the following:

A working Horde installation

Ingo runs within the Horde Application Framework http://www.horde.org/apps/horde, a set of common tools for web applications written in PHP. You must install Horde before

installing Ingo.

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(end quote)

So, if I can install Ingo without Horde as you say, I would be more then happy.

Btw, my remark about the LDAP authentication with Squirrelmail being too tricky to implement maybe wasn't described right. What I meant was it's not worth the efforts installing all this, just to be able to manage sieve filters from inside another program. I have installed Squirrelmail for just being able to look now and then at my e-mail at public places, I don't use it frequently.

Anyway, thanks for your little help. :-)

A working horde installation is in this case the horde package. If you don't need to install webmail, address book, calendar, tasks, you don't have to. Let alone the wiki, photo gallery, bookmark manager or ticket interface.

Just install horde and Ingo and be done.

You may find it useful to install imp too -to take care of the authentication, but you don't have to show it to the user.

And installing by pear couldn't be easier. Why do you need a debian

mailto:wouter@private-lotus.org> wrote: package?

Simon