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Re: JMAP support?

by Mark Constable

On 8/3/21 18:08, @lbutlr wrote: >> Two years on so what is the status of JMAP support in Dovecot now? > > I don't think anything has changed on this front. Last I saw, only > Cyrus has partial support for JMAP mail, but not the other parts of > JMAP. Such a pity. I just two weeks battling with Cyrus-imapd just to test out the Cypht JMAP client and frankly Cyrus is an ill-documented PITA, to put it bluntly. From charter-ietf-jmap-03 "Now that draft-ietf-jmap-mail is completed, the working group will produce specifications for related data types, beginning with calendars and contacts." So "JSON Mail Access Protocol" is done and jmap + websockets is on the way... https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8887.html so I guess, minus cyrus-imapd, it's down to these fledgling projects... https://github.com/search?q=jmap+server No doubt I will ask about Dovecots JMAP status in another 12 months.

4 years, 1 month

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Bron Gondwana

On Wed, May 22, 2019, at 23:43, Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote: > On Wed May 22 2019 05:44:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Aki Tuomi > via dovecot <dovecot(a)dovecot.org> wrote: > > Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the > > JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open > > dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any > > pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot. > > > > This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as > > close as I initially thought. Obviously I'd love to help out in any way possible here! We're very keen to see JMAP support in Dovecot to encourage others to move towards it as well. > Thanks Aki - no pressing need because of the old chicken/egg problem I > guess... > > That said, a few tidbits... > > The Thunderbird Devs are using Topicbox for discussing Thunderbird UI > development, and Topicbox is built directly on top of JMAP for the email > integration (I'm not sure they even knew this until I told them yesterday): > > From: https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ > > "But enough about the software, how about the experience! When we > created our brand new Topicbox product, we built directly on top of JMAP > for the email. We also used JMAP-inspired APIs for the rest of the > product experience, so Topicbox’s early users have been on JMAP for over > a year now." > > Lastly, Fastmail is now rolling it out - 30% of their userbase is on > JMAP, and all new users are automatically on it. Cyrus also provides > experimental JMAP support in their development snapshots. Actually, 99% of our user base has been on JMAP for about 4 months now! The one remaining percent was users with the old version of our mobile apps, and they're being cut off next month. As for JMAP mail and JMAP core - they're currently with the RFC editor for the final round of edits - they should have assigned RFC numbers in the next few weeks I would imagine. There will be some minor editorial polish, but the way it works is entirely stable now, there won't be more changes. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-mail/ We're planning to have full support for everything in those specs into Cyrus IMAP version 3.2 as well. Right now there's a couple of gaps that we either don't use at FastMail or are papering around with our perl middleware. You can see the remaining tasks here as we progress: https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/labels/3.2 Cheers, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana brong(a)fastmail.fm

5 years, 10 months

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Tanstaafl

On Wed May 22 2019 05:44:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Aki Tuomi via dovecot <dovecot(a)dovecot.org> wrote: > Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the > JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open > dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any > pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot. > > This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as > close as I initially thought. Thanks Aki - no pressing need because of the old chicken/egg problem I guess... That said, a few tidbits... The Thunderbird Devs are using Topicbox for discussing Thunderbird UI development, and Topicbox is built directly on top of JMAP for the email integration (I'm not sure they even knew this until I told them yesterday): From: https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ "But enough about the software, how about the experience! When we created our brand new Topicbox product, we built directly on top of JMAP for the email. We also used JMAP-inspired APIs for the rest of the product experience, so Topicbox’s early users have been on JMAP for over a year now." Lastly, Fastmail is now rolling it out - 30% of their userbase is on JMAP, and all new users are automatically on it. Cyrus also provides experimental JMAP support in their development snapshots. So, maybe - hopefully - this might be some reasons to push that development up some. if not, its good to know that it is at least still on the roadmap.

5 years, 10 months

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Tanstaafl

Thanks for chiming in Bron! I'm very interested in JMAP as you can see, but I'm also very curious - do you have any blog pages dedicated to the user experience vs standard IMAP? How it differs - and most importantly if it is truly better, and if so, how and why? I'd also love to read about actual user experiences - how about a collection of comments from your users? Thanks again, Charles p.s. Even though I've always hosted my own, I'm very tempted to sign up for a paid account to see for myself. On Tue May 28 2019 03:49:25 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Bron Gondwana via dovecot <dovecot(a)dovecot.org> wrote: > On Wed, May 22, 2019, at 23:43, Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote: >> On Wed May 22 2019 05:44:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Aki Tuomi >> via dovecot <dovecot(a)dovecot.org> wrote: >> > Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the >> > JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open >> > dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any >> > pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot. >> > >> > This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as >> > close as I initially thought. > > Obviously I'd love to help out in any way possible here! We're very > keen to see JMAP support in Dovecot to encourage others to move > towards it as well. > >> Thanks Aki - no pressing need because of the old chicken/egg problem I >> guess... >> >> That said, a few tidbits... >> >> The Thunderbird Devs are using Topicbox for discussing Thunderbird UI >> development, and Topicbox is built directly on top of JMAP for the email >> integration (I'm not sure they even knew this until I told them >> yesterday): >> >> From: https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ >> >> "But enough about the software, how about the experience! When we >> created our brand new Topicbox product, we built directly on top of JMAP >> for the email. We also used JMAP-inspired APIs for the rest of the >> product experience, so Topicbox’s early users have been on JMAP for over >> a year now." >> >> Lastly, Fastmail is now rolling it out - 30% of their userbase is on >> JMAP, and all new users are automatically on it. Cyrus also provides >> experimental JMAP support in their development snapshots. > > Actually, 99% of our user base has been on JMAP for about 4 months > now! The one remaining percent was users with the old version of our > mobile apps, and they're being cut off next month. > > As for JMAP mail and JMAP core - they're currently with the RFC editor > for the final round of edits - they should have assigned RFC numbers > in the next few weeks I would imagine. There will be some minor > editorial polish, but the way it works is entirely stable now, there > won't be more changes. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-mail/ > > We're planning to have full support for everything in those specs into > Cyrus IMAP version 3.2 as well. Right now there's a couple of gaps > that we either don't use at FastMail or are papering around with our > perl middleware. You can see the remaining tasks here as we progress: > > https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/labels/3.2 > > Cheers, > > Bron. > > > > -- > Bron Gondwana > brong(a)fastmail.fm > >

5 years, 10 months

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Aki Tuomi

Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot. This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as close as I initially thought. Aki On 21.5.2019 16.29, Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote: > Hello Aki, > > Well, it has been over 3 years since I last asked... > > You had said initial JMAP support would hopefully make it into 2.3. > Since it didn't, I'm hoiping it isn't too far away. > > There is some movement with the new Thunderbird team on this, but they > can't really start serious work on adding JMAP support until there is a > server implementation to test against. > > Is JMAP support still hopefully on the near term roadmap? > > Thanks > > Charles > > On Sun Nov 27 2016 05:28:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Daylight Time), Aki Tuomi > <aki.tuomi(a)dovecot.fi> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact >> version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3 >> >> Aki Tuomi >> >> Dovecot Oy >> >>> On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones <andrew(a)mykolab.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Marcus >>> >>> Thanks for your helpful reply. >>> >>> Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5? >>> >>> It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums. >>> >>> One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will >> power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube >> Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing >> is littered with bugs everywhere. >>> >>> Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Andrew >>>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert <darix(a)opensu.se> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: >>>>> I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. >>>>> What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. >>>>> (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.) >>>> roundcube-next builds on top of it. >>>> >>>> darix

5 years, 10 months

Re: JMAP support?

by Timo Sirainen

On 8. Mar 2021, at 9.11, Mark Constable <markc(a)renta.net> wrote: > > On Fri Jan 25 2019 Aki wrote: > > There is no JMAP support in any dovecot version yet. > > Two years on so what is the status of JMAP support in Dovecot now? - We have a new JSON library, making it easier to write efficient JMAP support. - We have some initial code for reusing imap process for the same user, making it more efficient to do quick connect + work + disconnect type requests. This would make implementing JMAP more efficient. Also would make many IMAP webmails more efficient. Would need to finish working on this some day. - We were planning to do a more generic "HTTP server architecture" that would allow more easily implementing JMAP and other HTTP servers, but that's not done. I'm actually not quite sure anymore what exactly it was supposed to do. - We have no plans to actually start working on JMAP itself, but nothing prevents outside contributions. It would likely be in a separate git repository anyway.

1 year, 2 months

Re: JMAP support?

by ＠lbutlr

On 08 Mar 2021, at 02:15, Mark Constable <markc(a)renta.net> wrote: > On 8/3/21 18:08, @lbutlr wrote: >>> Two years on so what is the status of JMAP support in Dovecot now? >> I don't think anything has changed on this front. Last I saw, only Cyrus has partial support for JMAP mail, but not the other parts of JMAP. > > Such a pity. I just two weeks battling with Cyrus-imapd just to test > out the Cypht JMAP client and frankly Cyrus is an ill-documented PITA, > to put it bluntly. That was my experience with it many years ago. > so I guess, minus cyrus-imapd, it's down to these fledgling projects... > > https://github.com/search?q=jmap+server Not a lot there and about half of it hasn't nbeen touched in 5 years. There doesn't seem to be much interest in JMAP ou there, which means it is going to be pretty hard to get something working well unless you write it yourself. James (from apache) might be a solution? What does Roundcube recommend? As I understand it you don't need a "Mail server" for JMAP as it uses JSON over http. Also, I doubt that 12 months will bring any changes, the last post I saw from Aki (didn't look too hard) mentioned Dovecot 2.5. -- 'People need vampires,' she [Granny] said. 'They helps 'em remember what stakes and garlic are for.' --Carpe Jugulum

4 years, 1 month

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Tanstaafl

Hello Aki, Well, it has been over 3 years since I last asked... You had said initial JMAP support would hopefully make it into 2.3. Since it didn't, I'm hoiping it isn't too far away. There is some movement with the new Thunderbird team on this, but they can't really start serious work on adding JMAP support until there is a server implementation to test against. Is JMAP support still hopefully on the near term roadmap? Thanks Charles On Sun Nov 27 2016 05:28:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Daylight Time), Aki Tuomi <aki.tuomi(a)dovecot.fi> wrote: > Hi! > > We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact > version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3 > > Aki Tuomi > > Dovecot Oy > >> On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones <andrew(a)mykolab.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Marcus >> >> Thanks for your helpful reply. >> >> Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5? >> >> It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums. >> >> One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will >> power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube >> Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing >> is littered with bugs everywhere. >> >> Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert <darix(a)opensu.se> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: >>>> I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. >>>> What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. >>>> (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.) >>> >>> roundcube-next builds on top of it. >>> >>> darix

5 years, 10 months

Re: JMAP support?

by ＠lbutlr

On 08 Mar 2021, at 00:11, Mark Constable <markc(a)renta.net> wrote: > On Fri Jan 25 2019 Aki wrote: > > There is no JMAP support in any dovecot version yet. > > Two years on so what is the status of JMAP support in Dovecot now? I don't think anything has changed on this front. Last I saw, only Cyrus has partial support for JMAP mail, but not the other parts of JMAP. -- The fact is that camels are far more intelligent than dolphins. Footnote: Never trust a species that grins all the time. It's up to something. --Pyramids

4 years, 1 month

Re: JMAP support in Dovecot

by Andrew Jones

Dear Charles In order to gain more info on JMAP implementations and progress being made on server-side implementations, I'd say the JMAP Google groups would contain the most information with all discussions. Currently the most current implementation is the JMAP proxy, which connects to an IMAP/CalDAV/CardDAV server, and Fastmail are hard at work at trying to get JMAP support into Cyrus. Clientside implementations include a mobile app being developed by Atmail, as well as Roundcube Next - it may be worth reaching out to them to see what they are using for development. Good luck Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Dec 2016, at 15:34, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl(a)libertytrek.org> wrote: > > Hi Aki, > > Someone just asked in the bug for Thunderbird for this, so... > > Is there a git branch that they could use to start playing with what is > there? If not, any idea when that might happen? > > It sounds like someone following the Thunderbird bug is interested in > working on this, but they obviously need something to test against. > > Thanks, > > Charles > > >> On 11/27/2016 5:28 AM, Aki Tuomi <aki.tuomi(a)dovecot.fi> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3 >> >> Aki Tuomi >> >> Dovecot Oy >> >>> On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones <andrew(a)mykolab.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Marcus >>> >>> Thanks for your helpful reply. >>> >>> Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5? >>> >>> It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums. >>> >>> One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing is littered with bugs everywhere. >>> >>> Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert <darix(a)opensu.se> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: >>>>> I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. >>>>> What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. >>>>> (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.) >>>> >>>> roundcube-next builds on top of it. >>>> >>>> darix >>>> >>>> -- >>>> openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux >>>> openSUSE is good for you >>>> www.opensuse.org

8 years, 4 months

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