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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for chiming in Bron!<br>
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I'm very interested in JMAP as you can see, but I'm also very
curious - do you have any blog pages dedicated to the user
experience vs standard IMAP? How it differs - and most importantly
if it is truly better, and if so, how and why?<br>
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I'd also love to read about actual user experiences - how about a
collection of comments from your users?<br>
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Thanks again,<br>
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Charles<br>
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p.s. Even though I've always hosted my own, I'm very tempted to
sign up for a paid account to see for myself.<br>
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On Tue May 28 2019 03:49:25 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Bron
Gondwana via dovecot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dovecot@dovecot.org"><dovecot@dovecot.org></a> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On Wed, May 22, 2019, at 23:43,
Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On Wed May 22 2019 05:44:59
GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Aki Tuomi<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dovecot@dovecot.org"><dovecot@dovecot.org></a> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Unfortunately we have not
been able to work on this much, but also the<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> JMAP spec was until very
recently still being worked. We have open<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> dialogue with the
Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> pressing need for JMAP in
Dovecot.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> This said, JMAP is still
very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as<br>
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thought.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Obviously I'd love to help out in
any way possible here! We're very keen to see JMAP support in
Dovecot to encourage others to move towards it as well.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Thanks Aki - no pressing need
because of the old chicken/egg problem I<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">guess...<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">That said, a few tidbits...<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">The Thunderbird Devs are using
Topicbox for discussing Thunderbird UI<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">development, and Topicbox is
built directly on top of JMAP for the email<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">integration (I'm not sure they
even knew this until I told them yesterday):<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/">https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">"But enough about the software,
how about the experience! When we<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">created our brand new Topicbox
product, we built directly on top of JMAP<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">for the email. We also used
JMAP-inspired APIs for the rest of the<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">product experience, so
Topicbox’s early users have been on JMAP for over<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">a year now."<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Lastly, Fastmail is now rolling
it out - 30% of their userbase is on<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">JMAP, and all new users are
automatically on it. Cyrus also provides<br>
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their development snapshots.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Actually, 99% of our user base has
been on JMAP for about 4 months now! The one remaining percent
was users with the old version of our mobile apps, and they're
being cut off next month.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">As for JMAP mail and JMAP core -
they're currently with the RFC editor for the final round of
edits - they should have assigned RFC numbers in the next few
weeks I would imagine. There will be some minor editorial
polish, but the way it works is entirely stable now, there won't
be more changes.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"><a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"><a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-mail/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-mail/</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">We're planning to have full
support for everything in those specs into Cyrus IMAP version
3.2 as well. Right now there's a couple of gaps that we either
don't use at FastMail or are papering around with our perl
middleware. You can see the remaining tasks here as we
progress:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"><a
href="https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/labels/3.2"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/labels/3.2</a><br>
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Cheers,<br>
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