Hi Marcus

Thanks for your helpful reply.

Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5?

It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums.

One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing is littered with bugs everywhere.

Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot?

Thanks

Andrew

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On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert darix@opensu.se wrote:

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On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.)

roundcube-next builds on top of it.

darix

-- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org

Hi Aki,

Someone just asked in the bug for Thunderbird for this, so...

Is there a git branch that they could use to start playing with what is there? If not, any idea when that might happen?

It sounds like someone following the Thunderbird bug is interested in working on this, but they obviously need something to test against.

Thanks,

Charles

On 11/27/2016 5:28 AM, Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi wrote:

Hi!

We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3

Aki Tuomi

Dovecot Oy

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On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones andrew@mykolab.com wrote:

Hi Marcus

Thanks for your helpful reply.

Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5?

It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums.

One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing is littered with bugs everywhere.

Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot?

Thanks

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

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On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert darix@opensu.se wrote:

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On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.)

roundcube-next builds on top of it.

darix

-- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org

Dear Charles

In order to gain more info on JMAP implementations and progress being made on server-side implementations, I'd say the JMAP Google groups would contain the most information with all discussions.

Currently the most current implementation is the JMAP proxy, which connects to an IMAP/CalDAV/CardDAV server, and Fastmail are hard at work at trying to get JMAP support into Cyrus.

Clientside implementations include a mobile app being developed by Atmail, as well as Roundcube Next - it may be worth reaching out to them to see what they are using for development.

Good luck

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On 13 Dec 2016, at 15:34, Tanstaafl tanstaafl@libertytrek.org wrote:

Hi Aki,

Someone just asked in the bug for Thunderbird for this, so...

Is there a git branch that they could use to start playing with what is there? If not, any idea when that might happen?

It sounds like someone following the Thunderbird bug is interested in working on this, but they obviously need something to test against.

Thanks,

Charles

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On 11/27/2016 5:28 AM, Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi wrote: Hi!

We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3

Aki Tuomi

Dovecot Oy

...

On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones andrew@mykolab.com wrote:

Hi Marcus

Thanks for your helpful reply.

Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5?

It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums.

One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing is littered with bugs everywhere.

Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot?

Thanks

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

...

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On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert darix@opensu.se wrote:

On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.)

roundcube-next builds on top of it.

darix

-- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org

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Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi:

We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3

Any updates on jmap support in dovecot?

I tried searching the git repo for "jmap" yesterday, so I'm guessing the answer is "no" or "not yet"...?

Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot.

This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as close as I initially thought.

Aki

On 21.5.2019 16.29, Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote:

Hello Aki,

Well, it has been over 3 years since I last asked...

You had said initial JMAP support would hopefully make it into 2.3. Since it didn't, I'm hoiping it isn't too far away.

There is some movement with the new Thunderbird team on this, but they can't really start serious work on adding JMAP support until there is a server implementation to test against.

Is JMAP support still hopefully on the near term roadmap?

Thanks

Charles

On Sun Nov 27 2016 05:28:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Daylight Time), Aki Tuomi aki.tuomi@dovecot.fi wrote:

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Hi!

We are working on including JMAP support to Dovecot. At this moment I cannot give any promise for exact version, but hopefully it will be part of v2.3

Aki Tuomi

Dovecot Oy

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On November 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM Andrew Jones andrew@mykolab.com wrote:

Hi Marcus

Thanks for your helpful reply.

Do you know what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot 2.5?

It's difficult to get any sort of information from the roadmap and there are no Dovecot forums.

One of the main reasons I'm interested in JMAP is because of Roundcube Next and also the other clients it will >> power. Sadly, there has been little going on and having emailed Thomas, he is no longer involved in Roundcube >> Next - which is a shame. The Kolab guys are really taking liberties here, and trying their product, the thing >> is littered with bugs everywhere.

Are you able to comment on what is going on with JMAP development into Dovecot?

Thanks

Andrew

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On 26 Nov 2016, at 19:16, Marcus Rueckert darix@opensu.se wrote:

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On 2016-11-26 11:07:00 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote: I don't know the answer to that question, but I am curious about something. What client are you thinking about using with JMAP? I haven't found much. (And much of the demo stuff at jmap.io seems to be busted in various ways.)

roundcube-next builds on top of it.

darix

On 22 May 2019, at 07:42, Tanstaafl via dovecot dovecot@dovecot.org wrote:

Thanks Aki - no pressing need because of the old chicken/egg problem I guess...

I have to say, looking at JAMP it looks very interesting. I'd love to throw a JAMP webmail implementation up and play with it.

Thanks for chiming in Bron!

I'm very interested in JMAP as you can see, but I'm also very curious - do you have any blog pages dedicated to the user experience vs standard IMAP? How it differs - and most importantly if it is truly better, and if so, how and why?

I'd also love to read about actual user experiences - how about a collection of comments from your users?

Thanks again,

Charles

p.s. Even though I've always hosted my own, I'm very tempted to sign up for a paid account to see for myself.

On Tue May 28 2019 03:49:25 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Bron Gondwana via dovecot dovecot@dovecot.org wrote:

On Wed, May 22, 2019, at 23:43, Tanstaafl via dovecot wrote:

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On Wed May 22 2019 05:44:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Aki Tuomi via dovecot dovecot@dovecot.org wrote:

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Unfortunately we have not been able to work on this much, but also the JMAP spec was until very recently still being worked. We have open dialogue with the Thunderbird people, they haven't so far indicated any pressing need for JMAP in Dovecot.   This said, JMAP is still very much in our roadmap. Perhaps just not as close as I initially thought.

Obviously I'd love to help out in any way possible here!  We're very keen to see JMAP support in Dovecot to encourage others to move towards it as well.

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Thanks Aki - no pressing need because of the old chicken/egg problem I guess...

That said, a few tidbits...

The Thunderbird Devs are using Topicbox for discussing Thunderbird UI development, and Topicbox is built directly on top of JMAP for the email integration (I'm not sure they even knew this until I told them yesterday):

From: https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/

"But enough about the software, how about the experience! When we created our brand new Topicbox product, we built directly on top of JMAP for the email. We also used JMAP-inspired APIs for the rest of the product experience, so Topicbox’s early users have been on JMAP for over a year now."

Lastly, Fastmail is now rolling it out - 30% of their userbase is on JMAP, and all new users are automatically on it. Cyrus also provides experimental JMAP support in their development snapshots.

Actually, 99% of our user base has been on JMAP for about 4 months now!  The one remaining percent was users with the old version of our mobile apps, and they're being cut off next month.

As for JMAP mail and JMAP core - they're currently with the RFC editor for the final round of edits - they should have assigned RFC numbers in the next few weeks I would imagine.  There will be some minor editorial polish, but the way it works is entirely stable now, there won't be more changes.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-mail/

We're planning to have full support for everything in those specs into Cyrus IMAP version 3.2 as well.  Right now there's a couple of gaps that we either don't use at FastMail or are papering around with our perl middleware.  You can see the remaining tasks here as we progress:

https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/labels/3.2

Cheers,

Bron.

--    Bron Gondwana   brong@fastmail.fm

Bron Gondwana wrote on 11/27/2016 02:25 PM:

The demo proxy was a pretty quick hack and isn't very efficient, but it should be working. It does a fairly slow background import for existing accounts, so I'd recommend using small tests accounts. What particular bit is broken for you? (apart from the known not-working authentication flow) Bron.

I don't know what you mean by the "known not working authentication flow", so possibly that is what I am hitting.

On the "Set Hosts" screen with either Chrome or FireFox, I see two boxes each for IMAP and SMTP and a drop-down to toggle plaintext, SSL, or STARTLS. The fields are populated initially with "IMAP: 993/1/SSL" and "SMTP: 587/1/STARTLS". I don't know what that "1" is supposed to mean, so I replaced it with the relevant server names. I got an error "UNABLE TO CONNECT for <the email address I used>". To try again, I swapped those two fields around. Same result. (I was watching my server logs at the same time and saw no connection attempts.) I could not figure out how to go further.