Re: [Dovecot] MS asks for feedback on standards support in Outlook/Exchange
Am 01.06.2013 13:40, schrieb Timo Sirainen:
On 1.6.2013, at 9.35, Robert Schetterer <rs@sys4.de> wrote:
Am 01.06.2013 00:28, schrieb Timo Sirainen:
Someone should at least mention that they should support the real SPECIAL-USE instead of just Gmail-specific XLIST..
i cant see any major Problems recent with i.e outlook 2013 and dovecot and SPECIAL-USE, perhaps look the screens at
What about http://dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2013-May/090489.html ?
Outlook 2013 is only working when adding XLIST manually to imap_capability imap_capability = +XLIST
i dont have this on my servers, and outlook 2013 works with special use as expected
perhaps this helps
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/de-DE/officeitpro/thread/eacaa110...
You're welcome.
Regarding your questions:
Exchange 2010 and its supported (and unsupported and deviationsfrom) IMAP standards are described on MS-STANXIMAP (MSDN). As far as I can tell, neither XLIST nor the enhanced (=extension of the standard) version of LIST is supported. Please keep in mind that this wouldn't matter very much, since most would connect to an Exchange 2010 server using either ActiveSync or MAPI/RPC. The following scenarios would definitely work: (A) your provider allows connections using ActiveSync (often referred to as "mobile" connection/access) and you're using Outlook 2013, (B) your provider allows connections using MAPI/RPC and you're using Outlook 2010. Outlook 2013 supports the extension specified in RFC 6154 and implements it using the XLIST command (as per MS-STANOIMAP), as documented in MS-STANOIMAP part 2.2.38; however, the LIST command in the same document doesn't mention the extension, so I'd assume it (Outlook 2013) doesn't necessarily support this feature using LIST as specified per RFC6154 (but only using explicitly XLIST.)
Usually, any newer IMAP server supporting RFC6154 "LIST" ("XLIST") supports both the older XLIST as well as the newer LIST syntax. If it doesn't, a patch implementing this feature shouldn't be longer than a few (10 maybe?) lines of code and a few kind words to the developer team to get it into the next release of the server in question.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee624430%28v=exchg.80%29.aspx
V0061:
The specification describes how to define an experimental command or any command that is not part of the specification.
Microsoft Office Outlook 2007, Microsoft Outlook 2010
Outlook does not define any such commands.
Microsoft Outlook 2013
Outlook 2013 implements the IMAP LIST extension specified in [RFC6154] as the XLIST command.
so it may more a typical microsoft doku problem *g
but however ,in fact no working trouble with dovecot SPECIAL-USE
as far i remmeber to that list posting the problem whas there should get fixed was outlooks meaning of the Junk folder stuff, which is basicly done in another way by having its own antispam feature setup, so there are a few way to workaround that problem which i never tested and never will.
My simple answer always is, Outlook is the client of exchange, with few stuff supporting normal internet mail ( imap etc ), dont use it with internet mail or live with its problems
for notice Horde will implement Outlook 2013 complete active sync stack , so if that will happen, use active sync modus outlook 2013 with calender, abook, push mail , should no need for direct imap server con then, and it should "feel" like using exchnage ( but i think for one account only ), as horde has caldav and carddav , syncml too it can be used as middleware between many clients on many different os types i.e thunderbird lightning and k9 or native androids mail clients in exchange mode
Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer
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Am 01.06.2013 19:53, schrieb Robert Schetterer:
My simple answer always is, Outlook is the client of exchange, with few stuff supporting normal internet mail ( imap etc ), dont use it with internet mail or live with its problems
After all, it may suprise some people, in real ,there is no Outlook 2013 or whatever outlook version, as every software, outlook versions have additional patchlevels , most times changes are small, but getting big with so called service packs.
Exchange Admins in big win networks know this small changes by somnetimes their rising number support tickets after an upgrade or have to upgrade exchange same day
So even a internet mail test with some Outlook version may work sometime, but it must not work the same after some outlook update or its results may differ
To be fair ,same may happen with thunderbird etc too
At last, i guess everyone who reads tecnet, might say that its quality is getting better of the years , but its not comparable to the high quality docs on big open source projects, also typical microsoft speech sometimes is hard to understand by naming stuff in other words like its allready used in open source projects, bad translating in other languages doubles the problems sometimes. Sometimes tecnet reading makes me laugh, by marketing features in new exchange version which allready exists in open source mailers since years......
Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer
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