Client shows incorrect message counts

Antonio Leding tech at
Mon Aug 10 23:47:43 EEST 2020

Hi John,

Thanks a million for your insight.  I believe this is the thread to which you refer: <>

> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at> wrote:
>>>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at> writes:
> Antonio> Hello all…
> Antonio> First, a disclaimer…I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here.
> Antonio> The issues is this…
> Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm
> Antonio> and get a given number.  I then configure the same account in
> Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird.  Both
> Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly
> Antonio> with the doveadm numbers.  Apple Mail is low in almost all
> Antonio> cases.
> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead
> of "EXAMINE" mailbox.  Look in the archives for my question about this
> issue back in Oct 1, 2019.  It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake
> in the IMAP specification.  But I haven't spent any time reading the
> spec closely to understand the reasoning.
> John

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