Client shows incorrect message counts

John Stoffel john at
Tue Aug 11 05:51:49 EEST 2020

Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight.  I believe this is the thread to which you refer:


Yes, that's the thread.  It looks like it's an Apple Mail client
bug/feature/screwup.  I hate it, since it messes up my main text based
mail reader doing IMAP.

Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally.  Ugh... re-programming my
fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all.


Antonio>     On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at> wrote:

Antonio>                         "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at> writes:

Antonio> Hello all…
Antonio> First, a disclaimer…I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue
Antonio>     but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of
Antonio>     this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here.
Antonio> The issues is this…
Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm
Antonio> and get a given number.  I then configure the same account in
Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird.  Both
Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly
Antonio> with the doveadm numbers.  Apple Mail is low in almost all
Antonio> cases.
Antonio>     I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead
Antonio>     of "EXAMINE" mailbox.  Look in the archives for my question about this
Antonio>     issue back in Oct 1, 2019.  It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake
Antonio>     in the IMAP specification.  But I haven't spent any time reading the
Antonio>     spec closely to understand the reasoning.
Antonio>     John

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