Client shows incorrect message counts

John Stoffel john at
Tue Aug 11 06:09:38 EEST 2020

Antonio> Agreed…  Is Mailmate an option for you?

Never heard of it, will have to look into it.  I'd be willing to
change the iPhone mail reader for sure, the Apple one kinda sucks
overall, especially for sorting and such.  IMHO.

>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:51 PM, John Stoffel <john at> wrote:
Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight.  I believe this is the thread to which you refer:
>> Yes, that's the thread.  It looks like it's an Apple Mail client
>> bug/feature/screwup.  I hate it, since it messes up my main text based
>> mail reader doing IMAP.
>> Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally.  Ugh... re-programming my
>> fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all.
>> John
Antonio> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at> wrote:
Antonio> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at> writes:
Antonio> Hello all…
Antonio> First, a disclaimer…I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue
Antonio> but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of
Antonio> this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here.
Antonio> The issues is this…
Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm
Antonio> and get a given number.  I then configure the same account in
Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird.  Both
Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly
Antonio> with the doveadm numbers.  Apple Mail is low in almost all
Antonio> cases.
Antonio> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead
Antonio> of "EXAMINE" mailbox.  Look in the archives for my question about this
Antonio> issue back in Oct 1, 2019.  It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake
Antonio> in the IMAP specification.  But I haven't spent any time reading the
Antonio> spec closely to understand the reasoning.
Antonio> John

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