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Read-flag of mails don't update
by Marius Rasch 12 Jun '20

12 Jun '20

Hi, since one or two month I have a problem with Dovecot not updating the read-flag on mails using IMAP. I receive new mails, but when reading, they still unread on other devices (but shown as read on the first device). When I remember correct, this problem doesn't come with an update of dovecot, but just occured at some time. But I've updated dovecot since then a few times. Whenever a client connects to dovecot I get an panic in the log. I therefore added a log file and my dovecot configuration (is this fine or does it need to be in the mail body?). There are system information in the output of dovecot -n; the filesystem dovecot is running on is ext4. I hope I provided all information needed and seeing forward to get a hint what the problem might be. Marius

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executing script on mail arrival from sieve
by Voytek Eymont 12 Jun '20

12 Jun '20

I currently have a basic script to process some mails, it runs from cron every 10 minutes, basically, sieve copies some mails to subfolder on mail arrival, script fetches mails if any from this subfolder then processes these mail, get maybe 1 or 2 or often none but cron runs the script every 10 minutes, most times not needed as nothing is retrieved it's pretty crude - but works getmail fetches mails to local folder, deletes in subfolder munpack mailfile to unMIME links dumps HTML to txt looking at wiki2, 'Pigeonhole Sieve Extprograms Plugin', is this what would allow to execute my script on new mail arrival? I can't quite figure out how to.. if anyone has any sample, I might try to adapt to my need.. thanks (probably I should just leave like it is till I understand the docs...) thanks, V

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Doveadm Backup (other) issues
by Gingko 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Hello, I also have issues using Dovecot Backup. I am trying to Backup (or possibly Sync - one way) a single user IMAP account from a remote server, unknown type, to my own server. For that purpose, I defined the following parameters : imapc_host = <host name> imapc_user = <user name> imapc_password = <password> imapc_features = rfc822.size (<user name> has format: name(a)example.com, and <host name> is the name of the imap remote server that I use for getting mails) … and then I issued the following command: doveadm backup -R -u <user name, format name(a)example.com> imapc: ... but doing this, I get the following answer: dsync(<user name>): Info: imapc(<host name>:143): Connected to <host IP address>:143 (local 192.168.1.2:52940) dsync(<user name>): Error: Failed to initialize user: namespace configuration error: Namespace mail/ can't have alias_for= to a different storage (different root dirs) How can I solve this? If there is something not matching between servers, I may eventually change configuration on my side, but I think I would first have to know which feature(s) I have to know from the remote server in order to create the matching one on my server. Is there a way to list all relevant data coming from the remote server? Also: Doing this, is it necessary that the source user name be the same as the destination user name? Is it possible to backup an IMAP account to a user account having a completely different name? Regards, Gingko

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Dovecot /VMWare Boxer
by Djule Djukic 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Hello all, My name is Djule Djukic and I am working for Hipotekarna Banka from Montenegro. We are using IMAP email server Dovecot version 2.1.17. As a email clients on our corporate workstations we are using Thunderbird or WebMail and everything is working fine. We decided to introduce MDM solution in our environment and we installed VMWare WorkspaceOne (former Airwatch) which use Boxer as a mail client in App per VPN scenario. When we syncronise email with Boxer we have found that the time and date displayed for some messages have been changed to the time at which the file was synchronized. This is not hapening with all messages. It is happening only with messages in subfolders, never with Inbox. It seems when messages is moved by some rule from WebMail or Thunderbird from Inbox to some subfolder, Boxer is not able to read dates correctly, By seraching on Internet we found couple of explanation what might be possibel cause of this behaviour. https://imapsync.lamiral.info/FAQ.d/FAQ.Dates.txt https://serverfault.com/questions/588618/maintain-email-timestamp-when-tran… https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2008-July/032165.html Problem with some email clients is that they not look always for "Date:" from email message header. The "Date:" header is usually the date the message was written or sent the first time, at the writer side. This "Date:" header line is never changed by any transfer or copy. If an email client uses the "Date:" header for displaying the date of a message then no problem in synchronization with wrong date should arise. Obviously this is not a case with a Boxer email application. We tried GMail and everything is working fine. We are wondering if someone can explain what APPEND command could have done in our case? Is it relevant at all for our case? Is it used somehow by thunderbird or webmail clients? Also we would like to hear from someone if there are some improvemnents in further release of dovecot or some configuration that we can implement in order to fix this? Thank you in advanced for your suggestions and contribution, Đule Đukić Specijalista za informacionu bezbjednost / ISO ĐuleĐukić Specijalistaza informacionu bezbjednost / ISO http://www.hipotekarnabanka.com/hb-content/uploads/2014/06/slika1.jpg

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RE: handling spam from gmail.
by Marc Roos 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Yes tell that to the people that create rhel6, rhel7 and rhel8 and give lts support. Unless google pays you to train your software to mark their messages as spam, you might want to consider yourself not to smart as well ;) My solution would solve the problem others create (see the other mail). Your solution wastes your time and will always be carrying water to the sea. I think if 50% of providers in the world would do this, it would quickly be end of story for the spam originating from the networks like google and amazon. If there is a McDonalds build next to your home, and their clients throw waste into your garden. You hold McDonalds liable for cleaning this up not? Or are you also going to cleanup their mess indefinitely. -----Original Message----- From: Reindl Harald [mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net] Sent: donderdag 11 juni 2020 11:09 To: Marc Roos; dominic; dovecot; lists; users Subject: Re: handling spam from gmail. Am 11.06.20 um 11:04 schrieb Marc Roos: > I have got lots of shit coming from *.google.com like these: > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 because you are too dumb to train your bayes give me one such message and i am pretty sure it will fire BAYES_80 or BAYES_99 which will burn it with fire and lead to a milter reject here SpamAssassin 3.3.1 is also not very smart in 2020 so instead ask for dumb solutions which making you part of a bigger problem better do your homework

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Pigeonhole-sieve auto-reply
by ＠lbutlr 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Is it possible to have a sieve script reply with a press message to certain emails (and only certain emails) based on sieve matches? I see a lot on vacation replies, but I want something more specific. Something along the lines of procmails formail command? Everything I’ve searched for is about vacation r filing replies into the same folder as the original message.

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Special use folders in mailbox hierarchy
by Scott A. Wozny 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Dear Dovecot Gurus, Setting up my first IMAP server and looking at the folder structure, I had a mailbox I built on a Dovecot server and a mailbox configured by a hosting provider next to each other in Thunderbird and I noticed that the special use folders (Drafts, Trash and Sent) in my default-ish (I did set them to auto = subscribe) Dovecot install make these folders appear parallel to my Inbox folder where my hosting provider’s default configuration has them under the Inbox hierarchically, along with all the folders I built for mail storage over the use of the account. I did some googling, but I cannot find any guidance on which of these is preferred, why, or how they could be controlled in Dovecot. The default Dovecot config is ambiguous (IMHO) in that the mailbox config elements are children to the inbox namespace (implying they go under Inbox in the hierarchy) but their special_use parameter names are \Name which (if you use a UNIX filesystem paradigm) implies they should be at the root of the hierarchy and, therefore, parallel with Inbox, which is how Thunderbird shows them, but I’m not sure if that’s a mail client decision and not anything to do with the server configuration. Since I can’t access the config of my hosting provider, I can’t make any comparisons, so I thought I’d ask on the list if there is any standard guidance on server side configuration of special use folders in Dovecot or if there’s no guidance available because I’m overthinking this. :) Thanks, Scott

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RE: handling spam from gmail.
by Marc Roos 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

>> Yes tell that to the people that create rhel6, rhel7 and rhel8 and give >> lts support. > >as said that has nothing to do with your wrong training and RHEL has >always the same problem: you can't package the latest and greatest shit >over 10 years because it requrires newer versions of dependencies > >so what you get with your lazyness by using a LTS distribution is a >"never change a running system, just fix the worst bugs and don't touch >anything else" > >upstream developers don't hold development for 10 years > >written from a Fedora workstation with kernel 5.6.18-200.fc31.x86_64 >from last night realyed over a datacenter firewall and a mailserver >using the same kernel > >> Unless google pays you to train your software to mark their messages as >> spam, you might want to consider yourself not to smart as well ;) > >unless i make good money from customers paying for a nearly 100% >hitrate of spam combine with a zero-false-positive policy i am likely >smarter than you I would argue it is quite difficult to identify intelligence. I am pretty sure I would not start with your reasoning. I have a favourite German saying I like to quote in matters like these "gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens" >> My solution would solve the problem others create (see the other mail). >> Your solution wastes your time and will always be carrying water to the >> sea. I think if 50% of providers in the world would do this, it would >> quickly be end of story for the spam originating from the networks like >> google and amazon. > >they won't give a shit and when i get such idiotic mails as you propose >i take the phone, call the sender and suggest to fire his mailadmin >better sooner than later > >> If there is a McDonalds build next to your home, and their clients throw >> waste into your garden. You hold McDonalds liable for cleaning this up >> not? Or are you also going to cleanup their mess indefinitely. > >what a nonsense

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RE: handling spam from gmail.
by Marc Roos 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Your logics sucks. There is a difference between how email works and how spamassassin works. You are assuming that everyone in the world is using spamassassin by including it in 'how email works'. Maybe you like to post a link to your bayes files???? Am 11.06.20 um 11:13 schrieb Marc Roos: > You do not understand how mail works. Google mail is only getting > through when spf checks and the likes are being passed. unless you don't manage to get rid of BAYES_00 in case of clear spam messages don't tell me you understand how email works

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RE: handling spam from gmail.
by Marc Roos 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

You do not understand how mail works. Google mail is only getting through when spf checks and the likes are being passed. I am not creating any problems with this, I am just bouncing them back. Google has enough billions to handle these issues. If everyone would apply this procedures, people with legitimate email accounts would move from a spam network to some other provider. People joining these providers are the problem, because it allows these networks to mix spam with legitimate email. When clients start moving out, spam networks are becoming easier to hard block and these providers start thinking about their infrastructure and their bussines model. If everyone would be doing this, it is solving the spam problem. My below procedure should be applicable for any network generating a lot of spam. -----Original Message----- From: Reindl Harald [mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net] Sent: donderdag 11 juni 2020 10:25 To: Marc Roos; dovecot; users Subject: Re: handling spam from gmail. Am 11.06.20 um 10:19 schrieb Marc Roos: > I am sick of this gmail spam. Does anyone know a solution where I can > do something like this: > > 1. received email from adcpni444(a)gmail.com 2. system recognizes this > email address has been 'whitelisted', continue with 7. > 3. system recognizes as this email never been seen before 4. auto > reply with something like (maybe with a wait time of x hours): > Your message did not receive the final recipient. You are sending > from a known spam provider > network that is why we blocked your message. Please confirm that: > - you are not a spammer and > - you have permission to use the mail adress you send your message to > - you and your provider agree to uphold GDPR legislation > - you and your provider are liable for damages when breaching any > of the above. > > > Click link to confirm and you agree with the above > https://www.domainwithoutletsencryptcertificate.com/asdfasdfadsfaf > > 5. sender clicks confirm url > 6. email address is added to some white list. > 7. email is delivered to recipient. and i am sick of people not understanding how email works! you don't send unasked mail to a in the most cases forged sender unless you want to be part of the problem backscatters and brainless autoreplies have to be burnt with fire

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