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[Dovecot] dovecot and new mail notification for subfolders in Mail.app
by Alan Schmitt 25 Oct '04

25 Oct '04

Hello, I am using dovecot as an IMAP server to which Mail.app (Apple Mail) connects. However I do not get any notification of new mails in folders other than the inbox, unless I disconnect and reconnect Mail.app or click on the folder with new mail. I'm pretty sure the problem comes from Mail.app. I have searched on Google for how to go around this issue, and have not yet found a solution. If someone here uses Mail.app and dovecot, I'd be really glad to have some advice as to what to do. (by the way, and this is probably related: new folders created in the maildir structure do not get reflected in Mail.app until I disconnect and reconnect). Thanks a lot, Alan Schmitt -- The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO

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[Dovecot] index files
by Jonathan Salomon 25 Oct '04

25 Oct '04

Hi Timo, I am sorry to bug you about this, but I am a bit confused and I have approx 200 users so I don't want to screw this up. I am using the latest FC2 Dovecot RPM: dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2. I am using NFS to mount the /home dirs on the fileserver from the mailserver with mbox. In the docs you said that I should probably use :INDEX=MEMORY. However I think this really pushes the server to its limits with large mailboxes (I have sometimes loads of 8+!). Also I want to use mailaccounts that are shared by users (to multiple users acces the same mailbox simulateously). If I write the index file to a location on the filesystem, will this improve performance and still work with simultaneous logins? Should I upgrade to version 1.00.something because I read somewhere you rewrote the mbox functions? Thanks again, Jonathan

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[Dovecot] [PATCH] Request for testing: BSD kqueue ioloop handler
by Andrey Panin 25 Oct '04

25 Oct '04

Hello, attached patch adds experimental ioloop handler which uses BSD kqueue API. It compiles and survives my small test program, but not thoroughly tested because I have no suitable BSD machine to torture. Brave owners of (Free|Net|Open)BSD please test and report results :) Best regards. -- Andrey Panin | Linux and UNIX system administrator pazke(a)donpac.ru | PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net

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[Dovecot] [PATCH] move iolist functions into separate file
by Andrey Panin 25 Oct '04

25 Oct '04

Hello, attached patch extracts iolist related functions into separate file and makes it a little more generic. This functions will be used by the new ioloop handler based on the BSD kqueue API. Please consider applying. Best regards. -- Andrey Panin | Linux and UNIX system administrator pazke(a)donpac.ru | PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net

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[Dovecot] Period at end of folder in Pine
by doug＠dovecot.con.com 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

When using folder-name completion, Pine sticks a period at the end of dovecot mediated IMAP folder names. This is invalid, of course, and I end up having to backspace the period to use the proper name. Anyone have a clue on a workaround? I'd imagine this is a FAQ type issue.... Thanks, Doug

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[Dovecot] login with alias
by Gasha 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

Hi all, i'm setting up mail server and here is the question: if, for example "firstname.lastname(a)domain.com" is e-mail address, then how can i setup login as "firstname.lastname" and "password" not only "firstname". Of course, users want all things simple. But i don't want to use login names longer than 8 chars. Any ideas? Or should i try to create users as "firstname.lastname" in /etc/passwd file ?? Gasha

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[Dovecot] 1.0-test51
by Timo Sirainen 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

http://dovecot.org/test/ This release is built with autoconf 2.59 and libtool 1.9. We'll see how it works out :) The required changes were done by Matthias Andree. - The last fix for connection hanging made IDLE use 100% CPU - We don't use Maildir/.INBOX/ directory anymore, indexes are stored in Maildir-root - Don't crash with FETCH BODY[n.MIME] - Changed %p (protocol) -> %s (service) and %P (pid) -> %p. Hopefully people weren't using these much yet :) - Added simple caching for sql passdb requests. Should be implemented soon for sql userdb and ldap passdb/userdb. See auth_cache_size and auth_cache_ttl settings. By default it's disabled.

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[Dovecot] direct access or local IMAP access?
by Alan Schmitt 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

Hello, Thanks to much help from Timo Sirainen, I now have a running dovecot on my Mac, that works great both with mutt and Mail.app. I'm going to have a lot of mail stored there (about 40000 messages for 1.4GB in 30 folders), and I was wondering if it was better (in terms of performance and stability) to directly access the mail using the maildir hierarchy, or access it using local IMAP. Thanks a lot, Alan Schmitt -- The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO

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[Dovecot] assertion failed
by Tom Sommer 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

Using test51: Oct 22 23:37:21 one dovecot: 2657(ts(a)dreamcoder.dk): file mail-cache-fields.c: line 338 (mail_cache_header_fields_get): assertion failed: (buffer_get_used_size(dest) == sizeof(hdr) + (sizeof(uint32_t)*2 + 2) * hdr.fields_count) Oct 22 23:37:21 one dovecot: child 2657 (imap) killed with signal 6 What does it mean? -- Tom

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[Dovecot] 1.0-test51 / POP3 broken
by Brad 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

OS: OpenBSD 3.5 -stable/macppc dovecot: Oct 21 01:59:01 Info: pop3-login: Login: wendy [192.168.3.6] dovecot: Oct 21 01:59:02 Error: child 13213 (pop3) killed with signal 11 dovecot: Oct 21 02:03:32 Info: pop3-login: Login: robb [192.168.3.6] dovecot: Oct 21 02:03:32 Error: child 17627 (pop3) killed with signal 11 (gdb) bt #0 0x1813bb8 in maildir_transaction_save_commit_post () #1 0x180f504 in maildir_transaction_commit () #2 0x183aff4 in mailbox_transaction_commit () #3 0x180b204 in clients_deinit () #4 0x180be9c in client_command_execute () #5 0x180a808 in client_send_storage_error () #6 0x184f43c in io_loop_handler_run () #7 0x184eba4 in io_loop_run () #8 0x180c4d4 in main () #9 0x1809c78 in _start ()

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[Dovecot] default_mail_env problems
by Neil Marjoram 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

I am having problems setting the default mail environment.# I am using Fedora Core 2 with version dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2 My users all have an NFS mounted home directory, and all mail is delivered to ~Mail/.mailbox it is all mbox format. I would like to put the indexes on the local system in /var/indexes/{username}. So I set these parameters for default_mail_env : mbox:~/Mail/:INBOX=~/Mail/.mailbox Which produced the error : imap(test): stat() failed with mbox file ~/Mail/.mailbox: No such file or directory I set the mail environment back to default, linked inbox to .mailbox in the ~/Mail directory and all worked fine. Is there a better way to do this ? I would like to put the indexes on the local system in /var/indexes/{username}, so I decided to set: default_mail_env = INDEX=/var/indexes/%d/%n and got this error: imap(test): Failed to create storage with data: INDEX=/var/indexes//test dovecot: child 9142 (imap) returned error 89 I also tried : default_mail_env = INDEX=/var/indexes/%u And got the same error. I guessed at permissions, so I tried changing the ownership to dovecot and then test and then root and then 777, but I still get this error. Can anyone tell me where I am going wrong? Many thanks, Neil. -- Neil Marjoram. Systems Manager University College London Adastral Park Campus Martlesham Heath Ipswich Suffolk IP5 3RL

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[Dovecot] imap idle on non-inbox?
by Collin Grady 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Can this be done with dovecot? I really like the imap idle feature, but it doesn't work for me because I sort my mail into folders with procmail, so it only notifies me when one drops into inbox and not a subfolder. Is there just an option for this I'm missing, or does support for this not exist yet? Also, I don't think its a client issue as I watched the traffic with tcpdump and it only announced anything for inbox, messages dropping into other folders caused no traffic. -- Collin Grady BOFH excuse #347: The rubber band broke

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[Dovecot] Quick question
by Mark Lidstone 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Hi all, I'm going to be out of office for the next week (starting in the next hour or so) and I need to unsubscribe (I'm sure you don't want my out of office replies really) Can anyone help me by saving me the time it'll take to lookup the unsubscribe/resubscribe details? Many thanks, Mark Lidstone IT and Network Support Administrator BMT SeaTech Ltd Grove House, Meridians Cross, 7 Ocean Way Ocean Village, Southampton. SO14 3TJ. UK Tel: +44 (0)23 8063 5122 Fax: +44 (0)23 8063 5144 E-Mail: mailto:mark.lidstone@bmtseatech.co.uk Website: www.bmtseatech.co.uk ======================================================================== == Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer: The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the use of the e-mail addressee(s) shown. If you are not that person, or one of those persons, you are not allowed to take any action based upon it or to copy it, forward, distribute or disclose the contents of it and you should please delete it from your system. BMT SeaTech Limited does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of this e-mail or its attachments which arise as a result of Internet transmission, nor accept liability for statements which are those of the author and not clearly made on behalf of BMT SeaTech Limited. ======================================================================== ==

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[Dovecot] migration to maildir and arrival time
by Nicolas Kowalski 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Hello. I am currently testing dovecot (0.99.10.8, Debian woody from backports), with the maildir storage. I have noticed that when I use the mailutil tool from uw-imap distribution to transfer my IMAP mailboxes from our current server (uw-imap, mbx format) to the dovecot one, the mails arrival time are apparently lost. I can see this in Pine, using the Arrival sort: the mailboxes on the originating server and dovecot server are not ordered the same. If I use the mb2md perl script to transfer the same mailbox, I see the same behaviour. Is this normal ? Thanks. -- Nicolas

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[Dovecot] [PATCH] support OEM encoding in NTLM messages
by Andrey Panin 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Hello, after I started to use dovecot as a backend for exim4 SMTP authentication on my main mailserver, I noticed that some clients don't advertise unicode support and so they can't log in. To fix the problem the attached patch allows use of OEM encoding in NTLM messages. Please consider applying. Best regards. P.S. I want to release exim4 patch in the near future, probably when Timo will stop making incompatible protocol changes ;) -- Andrey Panin | Linux and UNIX system administrator pazke(a)donpac.ru | PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net

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[Dovecot] File isn't in mbox format - error
by Götz Reinicke 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

HI, I recently upgraded an wu-imap server to dovecot dovecot-0.99.11-1.FC3.3 without big trouble (the subscribed mailboxes had to be added by hand...) But today users told me that there where some problems; e.g. a user tried to delete a message and got this error: Oct 19 09:43:13 mail imap(jmeinken): File isn't in mbox format: /home/mitarbeiter/jmeinken//Trash This didn't happen before; also after the migration. My questions: - Whats wrong? - Why is there the "//" a "more Trash" failed. After deleting this file and "touching" a new one, the user can delete files. The quota is 150 MB, the usere uses 100 MB at the moment. Any ideas? Regards Götz Reinicke -- Götz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 goetz.reinicke(a)filmakademie.de Filmakademie Baden-Württemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de

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[Dovecot] default_mail_env %d var problem
by pythonic 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Hello, I am new to Dovecot and trying to setup on my Fedora Core 1 mail servers (actually migrating from uw to dovecot ;-) ). In my setup I use pam to authenticate virtual users. All the usernames include @domainname in their usernames like 'jane(a)somevhost.com'. Now path to user's home and INBOX includes /home/vhosts/<domainname>/home/<username>. I have added following to dovecot.conf. ------------------------ auth_passdb = pam auth_verbose = yes auth_username_chars = default_mail_env = mbox:/home/vhosts/%d/%h/:INBOX=/home/vhosts/%d/var/spool/mail/%n -------------------------- Now if I try to connect imap I get foll. error. -- imap(jane): May 19 01:58:08 Error: mkdir_parents(/home/vhosts///home/jane//.imap/INBOX) failed: Permission denied -- So %h and %u looks working but not %d :(. My pam module works right as if I use actual domain path in dovecot.conf everything works fine. Auth works correctly with uw. Any pointers ? TIA, Pythonic

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[Dovecot] [PATCH] Fix on Cyrus SASL support for Rel 0.99.11
by ITO Nobuaki 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Code which supports cyrus SASL library (src/auth/mech-cyrus-sasl2.c) is broken. Following is the workaround patch for Dovecot Rel 0.99.11, and it worked fine on FreeBSD 4.10 BOX. It will not work with current development version. Application for that version might not be so difficult. Recently I found the CVS log which appeals that cyrus SASL support is discontinued. It's very sad. Regards Nobuaki ITO : banb(a)j-link.ne.jp --- src/auth/mech-cyrus-sasl2.c.orig Wed Jun 25 08:26:43 2003 +++ src/auth/mech-cyrus-sasl2.c Tue Oct 19 21:07:03 2004 @@ -39,6 +39,7 @@ struct auth_login_reply reply; const char *serverout; unsigned int serveroutlen; + const char *authenid, *default_realm; int ret; ret = sasl_server_step(cyrus_request->conn, data, request->data_size, @@ -55,6 +56,12 @@ reply.result = AUTH_LOGIN_RESULT_SUCCESS; cyrus_request->success = TRUE; + ret = sasl_getprop(cyrus_request->conn, SASL_USERNAME, (const void **) &authenid); + if (ret != SASL_OK || ! authenid) { + i_warning("sasl_getprop() failed: %s", sasl_errstring(ret, NULL, NULL)); + return FALSE; + } + serverout = mech_auth_success(&reply, auth_request, serverout, serveroutlen); } else { @@ -200,6 +217,8 @@ cyrus_sasl_auth_continue; cyrus_request->auth_request.auth_free = cyrus_sasl_auth_free; + + cyrus_request->conn = sasl_conn; reply.result = AUTH_LOGIN_RESULT_CONTINUE;

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[Dovecot] Folders with . in them
by Tom Sommer 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Hey guys, When I create a IMAP folder called "php.net" in Thunderbird, a folder called "php" is created with a subfolder called "net", is this a bug in Thunderbird or is it something that I or you can fix? -- Tom

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[Dovecot] Hooking postfix into dovecot
by Tom Sommer 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Cyrus has to be added to master.cf and transport_maps has to be set to "cyrus:localhost". So my question is how do I get the mails from postfix to dovecot? Hope it's okay to submit these type of questions here :) Thanks -- Tom Sommer

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[Dovecot] test51 dumping core
by jross＠wykids.org 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

OpenBSD 3.6 -current (i386) dovecot-1.0-test51 I'm now getting this error message as soon as I start dovecot: "Authentication client 0 not compatible with this server (mixed old and new binaries?)" Here's the process I'm using: ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc \ --with-ssl=openssl \ --with-pam=NO \ --with-ldap=no \ --with-vpopmail=no \ --with-rawlog make svc -d /service/dovecot make install mv /etc/dovecot.conf /etc/dovecot.conf.49 mv /etc/dovecot.conf.51 /etc/dovecot.conf svc -u /service/dovecot dovecot throws a dovecot-auth.core. Here's the backtrace from it: gdb /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/dovecot-auth /etc/dovecot/dovecot-auth.core GNU gdb 6.1 Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-openbsd3.6"... warning: exec file is newer than core file. Core was generated by `dovecot-auth'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.34.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libc.so.34.1 Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld.so...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/libexec/ld.so #0 0x1c00573a in auth_client_input_auth (conn=0x0, args=0x3c014080 "À@\001<") at auth-client-connection.c:204 204 request->id = id; (gdb) bt full #0 0x1c00573a in auth_client_input_auth (conn=0x0, args=0x3c014080 "À@\001<") at auth-client-connection.c:204 mech = (struct mech_module *) 0x0 request = (struct auth_request *) 0xffffffff list = (char **) 0x3c006414 name = 0x0 arg = 0x0 initial_resp = 0xcfbefe38 "Xþ¾Ï8ü\036\n\001" initial_resp_data = (void *) 0xcfbefecc initial_resp_len = 0 id = 1006715072 buf = (buffer_t *) 0x3c014080 valid_client_cert = 0 #1 0x1c00570f in auth_client_input_auth (conn=0x0, args=0x8b824024 "") at auth-client-connection.c:196 mech = (struct mech_module *) 0x5 request = (struct auth_request *) 0x1 list = (char **) 0xa1efc38 name = 0x0 arg = 0xd0bd985 "\203Äüj" initial_resp = 0xcfbefe58 "hþ¾Ïó¾" initial_resp_data = (void *) 0x1000 initial_resp_len = 218880389 id = 3485400780 buf = (buffer_t *) 0x3c006000 valid_client_cert = 1 #2 0x1c00bda0 in passwd_file_init (args=0x3c0140c0 "ðt") at userdb-passwd-file.c:39 args = 0xffffffff <Address 0xffffffff out of bounds> #3 0x1c00b986 in checkpassword_verify_plain (request=0x1, password=0xcfbeff18 "`", callback=0xcfbefeb8) at passdb-checkpassword.c:277 request = (struct auth_request *) 0x0 chkpw_auth_request = (struct chkpw_auth_request *) 0x0 fd_in = {1006715072, -809566572} fd_out = {-809566600, 469809542} pid = -809566648 #4 0x1c007eae in mech_init () at mech.c:313 mechanisms = (char **) 0x0 env = 0x1 "" #5 0x1c007f3a in mech_init () at mech.c:336 mechanisms = (char **) 0x1 env = 0x1c00555f "E\bÿp\020è¿\b" #6 0x1c005491 in auth_callback (request=0x1, result=3485400856, reply=0xcfbeff20, reply_size=0) at auth-client-connection.c:71 result = 3485401184 reply_size = 3485400780 str = (string_t *) 0xcfbeff18 ret = 0 #7 0x1c005407 in auth_callback (request=0x0, result=3485401197, reply=0xcfbf007d, reply_size=3485401232) at auth-client-connection.c:62 result = 0 reply_size = 4096 str = (string_t *) 0xcfbeff14 ret = 0 #8 0xcfbf0060 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #9 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #10 0xcfbf006d in ?? () No symbol table info available. #11 0xcfbf007d in ?? () No symbol table info available. #12 0xcfbf0090 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #13 0xcfbf00a2 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #14 0xcfbf00b4 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #15 0xcfbf00c7 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #16 0xcfbf00d8 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #17 0xcfbf00e0 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #18 0xcfbf00ef in ?? () No symbol table info available. #19 0xcfbf00fd in ?? () No symbol table info available. #20 0xcfbf010b in ?? () No symbol table info available. #21 0xcfbf015e in ?? () No symbol table info available. #22 0xcfbf0174 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #23 0xcfbf0191 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #24 0xcfbf019e in ?? () No symbol table info available. #25 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #26 0x00000003 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #27 0x1c000034 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #28 0x00000004 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #29 0x00000020 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #30 0x00000005 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #31 0x00000009 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #32 0x00000006 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #33 0x00001000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #34 0x00000007 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #35 0x0d0ba000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #36 0x00000008 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #37 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #38 0x00000009 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #39 0x1c0053f0 in auth_callback (request=0x0, result=0, reply=0x18cfbefe, reply_size=2161098494) at auth-client-connection.c:57 result = AUTH_CLIENT_RESULT_CONTINUE reply_size = 3485400864 str = (string_t *) 0xcfbeff18 ret = 0 Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) -- http://wykids.org/

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[Dovecot] ./configure --with-mysql --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --with-ssldir=/etc/ssl --with-ssl=openssl
by Tom Sommer 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Hi, I installed dovecot from dovecot-1.0-test51 with this configure line: ./configure --with-mysql --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --with-ssldir=/etc/ssl --with-ssl=openssl When I add this to my dovecot.conf: passdb = mysql /etc/dovecot-mysql.conf I get this in /var/log/maillog when I run "dovecot -c /etc/dovecot.conf": Oct 21 13:59:16 one dovecot: Dovecot v1.0-test51 starting up Oct 21 13:59:17 one dovecot: Auth process died too early - shutting down Oct 21 13:59:17 one dovecot: auth(default): Unknown userdb type 'mysql' Oct 21 13:59:17 one dovecot: child 13203 (auth) returned error 89 After my ./configure was complete it was also noted that mysql would be built into dovecot as passwd and userdb, so MySQL should be in there. Any ideas? I use MySQL 4.0.17. Thanks -- Tom Sommer

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[Dovecot] RE: build errors on cvs
by Alex S Moore 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Building on Solaris 8 with Sun's compiler, I get the following error. Would you fix this? Using gcc is not really a good option for me. /opt/forte8/SUNWspro/bin/cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/opt/csw/inclu\de -fast -xarch=v8 -I/opt/csw/include -c buffer.c "buffer.c", line 159: void function cannot return value "buffer.c", line 205: void function cannot return value cc: acomp failed for buffer.c *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `buffer.o' Current working directory /export/medusa/asmoore/build/dovecot-sparc/src/lib Thanks, Alex

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[Dovecot] Problems with thunderbird
by Jonas Lundgren 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

I'm running dovecot-1.0-test50 on openbsd 3.4 and it's working great, exept with thunderbird. Everything works fine with squirrelmail. The instant i log in with thunderbird the imap process goes up to 100% cpu, and instantly goes back down to 0 when i log out. I configured dovecot with the following arguments: --with-vpopmail --with-storages=maildir --without-passwd --without-passwd-file --without-static --without-pop3d --with-mysql --disable-ipv6 --with-ssl=openssl --without-checkpassword --without-bsdauth --without-static-userdb I'm usig the sql as auth, with vpopmail. I've also tried 1.0-test19, test46, 47, 48 and 49. Going to try 0.9.11 now, but in the 0.9-series i've had huge problems with indexes becoming fucked up every couple of hours. (The last 0.9 I tried is 0.9.10.6) Am i doing something wrong or what? -- Best regards, Jonas Lundgren ICQ: #52064961 IRC: neonman @ EFnet, Undernet, Quakenet Mail: jonas.lundgren(a)local.se

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[Dovecot] Unable to compile dovecot with Solaris 9 and Forte C
by Toni Viemero 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Just a "heads up". I tried to search mailinglist archives and wiki, but found no similar configurations. Dovecot is unbuildable with the following configuration: SunOS mail 5.9 Generic_112233-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210 cc: Forte Developer 7 C 5.4 2002/03/09 config.log output from ./configure is at: http://iso.ego.fi/misc/dovecot_1.0-test50.log I guess I'll have to bend over for GCC :) -- Toni Viemerö | http://selfdestruct.net "It'll destroy you if you try to make it mean anything to anyone but yourself."

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